Posts by flipper

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My younger brother officially Disassociated today

by pale.emperor in

hi guys.

just wanted to share this with you as it's kind of got me worried.

my brother who was also raised in "the truth™" met me in town today for a coffee.

flipper

Wow. Pale- I agree with Carla for sure here. I would get on the phone in a hot second to Social Services or whoever is employing your brother's caregiver. I don't think it's legal or it's any of the elders business to interfere with your brothers caregiver situation. It's not their call or decision who is giving care to your brother . It's the decision of the caregiver's employer. I do think it's tampering and breaking the law.

And the elder who told your brother , " We miss you at the KH. ( They say that to everyone ) Can we come and see you to see if we can help in any way ? ( They say that to everyone who leaves ) I don't think you UNDERSTAND what dissassociating means ."

They don't say that last sentence to everyone. To me the elders are essentially telling your brother in a subtle way that due to his Asperger's - he doesn't know what he's doing and they are trying to take his free will away from him. Or it's manipulating his view of his ability to think for himself and make his own decisions here. I don't think it's " nice " at all what these elders are doing to him. They are using his Aspergers against him as a crutch telling him that he " doesn't understand " - when in fact- he does understand and it's HIS right as an adult to make his own decision here, not the elders right. Gotta watch these elders man, they are smarmy, unethical creatures who will do anything to coerce an unsuspecting prey back into the JW cult. Just sayin' here bro. Don't let these elders control your brothers destiny if you can help it. I do not think their motives are good

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Best way to deal with anger at the GB while waking up?

by CovertsadJW in

good morning everyone , .

i am wondering how people have personally delt with the anger at the gb when waking up and realizing it’s a scam, lie , and it’s awfully depressing .

i have had difficulty concentrating at work , have had an emotional roller coaster between okay days and awful days.

flipper

COVERTS- Hey man, what you are experiencing is totally normal. Many of us, including myself , felt really angry after exiting the JW's and when we started discovering the lies and deceit. Don't beat yourself up over it. In reality it shows you actually have a good conscience, it shows you recognize injustice when you see it and that you've taken responsibility within yourself in action to not support the unjust ways of the GB anymore by stopping the attending of meetings.

I stopped attending in 2003 at age 44 and I was a born in from birth. A few years later in 2007 when I found out how screwed up the GB's child abuse policies were and how some victims and their families had been disfellowshipped for reporting child abuse to the police- my head about exploded - I was so angry ! To think that the GB had given out instructions to elders to first report child abuse to WT legal , and ONLY go to the police once instructed by WT legal - to me the jig was up- the leaders of this JW organization have no moral or ethical character whatsoever. It's all about outward appearance, saving themselves huge lawsuits, and consolidating and keeping information from rank & file JW's in the congregations. And it's about consolidating power over those same JW's.

As others say here it gets better in time in how to deal with the anger. For me personally , it helped talking with other EX-JW's who had similar experiences like myself being emotionally and verbally abused by elders. Also I took up playing guitar and writing songs about injustices in religion and politics. Also - became proactive in telling anyone who wanted to listen about these injustices that are occurring inside the JW organization , it helped me get the " lead " out and let off steam. After being out 14 years I've gradually lost the cult mindset and see the world in a critical thinking fashion which has built my self esteem back up after the WT Society lead by the GB tried to steal it away from me all these years. You'll be successful my friend, just have to keep informing yourself about these things. It's good you are researching, it reconfirms that you are doing the right thing. Access to information is everything- because all we ever knew before was the WT Society's slanted view of things giving us tunnel vision. Keep on keeping on man. We're here for you, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Goodbye my friends.

by StephaneLaliberte in

jw
friends

for almost 12 years now, i have been coming to this site on a regular basis and in the last 5, i “faded out”.

i never regretted this and never will.

unfortunately though, yesterday, i realized that, until i can publically tell all my old acquaintances why i have left, i will never be truly free.

flipper

Have a good one Stephane, remember we're always here for you. Do what you feel you need to do. Take care, best wishes to you, Mr. Flipper

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Rest in Peace Martin Luther King- THIS was an Honorable Man

by flipper in

jw
friends

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al4fovif7g8.

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flipper

JOHN DAVIS- Good points you make. Good to point out that inadvertently someone may copy someone's speech at times . Being a songwriter on the side myself , occasionally inadvertently I may write a song that reminds people of chords used in another song- but it's never intentional. Many times speakers, poets, or musicians may have similar thoughts to express - a crossover is bound to happen unintentionally sometimes. Only so many words, only so many chords.

SIMON- Good points you make. I think color of skin is used way too much in headlines , yes. However racism is a real problem not only in the USA , but across the universe. Your statement in regards that you don't see many people actually agreeing with MLK's quote , " Many people may say they do but then support the policies and parties that are completely opposed to it. " Indeed, so true. Yet each person will have to deal with the consequences of their decisions that they stand by - no matter what party or policy they support. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Rest in Peace Martin Luther King- THIS was an Honorable Man

by flipper in

jw
friends

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al4fovif7g8.

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flipper

MILLIE- I like that quote you mentioned from MLK. Very , very true. We are in the same boat now- that's why this divided country needs to come together to work together to rid ourselves of these racial divisions which seem to draw lines in the sand between political party's .

HECCE- Whether or not he borrowed words from someone else's speech or not does not bother me. What bothers me is how many in this country ignore what his speech was about in following his suggestions.

SIMON- Great quote by MLK. Thanks for posting it . " I look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. " I agree completely

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What Music have you Been Listening to this Last Year ? Post You tubes if you Like !

by flipper in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wktxjuyiat4.

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flipper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDob1NOXfKE.

510

What Music have you Been Listening to this Last Year ? Post You tubes if you Like !

by flipper in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wktxjuyiat4.

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flipper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuoH9SZi8Yk.

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What Music have you Been Listening to this Last Year ? Post You tubes if you Like !

by flipper in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wktxjuyiat4.

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flipper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0crAPp3k8M.

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What to Do....Please Help. Awakening JW for a very long time

by CovertsadJW in

good afternoon , .

i have been having doubts for many years and as most jw's i have certainly not done myself a favor by suppressing all of my critical thinking.

i am married with 3 kids and my wife and i are inactive, but my wife has made it very clear in speech and action that she wants to go to all meetings, field service, and indoctrinate our kids.

flipper

COVERTS- I really, seriously empathize with your position. I went through similar situations with my JW wife when we were still married in the 1990's. She painted me into a corner claiming I wasn't " taking the lead " or being her " spiritual head " . Here's the situation : when guys like you and me have had JW marriage mates that are really hardcore indoctrinated , it's almost impossible to argue JW teachings or ideas with them. Like beating your head against a brick wall- doesn't work and it produces nothing positive. She gets more set in her JW ways , and you get unjustly portrayed as the " devil incarnate " . That's due to the Jehovah's Witness mind control.

I agree with the posters here who say to avoid JW topics with her entirely for the time being as best you can . It will make your existence and life easier to bear while living with your wife. Also I agree - be proactive in disclosing and sharing information with your children about the false promises of the WT Society and injustices happening within the JW organization. But do this of course out of your wife's presence. You didn't say how old your children are- so that's something to take into account about how much you reveal to them.

Hopefully you can live for a few years or some time with this situation- but if you do reach your breaking point in dealing with the stress in your marriage ( and only you know yourself how much emotional stress you can bear ) if it goes downhill to the point where you need to divorce - it's not a crime to do so. In fact, for some of us, it's been the start of a new life in which we become happier, our ex becomes happier , stress free, and our minor children aren't eyewitnesses to the arguments, yelling of spouses, and contention anymore in their day to day lives. So, just saying, it's an option if all else fails. About 8 years after my divorce I met Mrs. Flipper and we've been together 12 years now, married almost that long.

I wish you the best no matter what you do and we are here, myself included to offer friendship and support in anyway possible to you. If you ever want to chat on the phone, just private e-mail me on the board here and I'd be happy to talk with you friend. Hang in there, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Rest in Peace Martin Luther King- THIS was an Honorable Man

by flipper in

jw
friends

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al4fovif7g8.

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flipper

SNARE & RACKET- Very good points you make indeed. Anybody outside the WT Society or JW cult - no matter what great things they did were still considered " unrighteous " or " wicked " by WT Society standards . The only things that mattered to the WT Society was being a JW - nothing else. They even accepted wicked JW's who were pedophiles ! As long as they turn field service time in each month- they viewed people like that in a more favorable light than MLK. Ridiculous. But Martin Luther King was a huge inspiration to humanity, very true. We could use his help in dealing with this racial shit storm in the USA nowadays. Thanks, take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper