Posts by flipper

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Election Post-Mortem

by Simon in

i'm sure many people, republicans included, are shocked at the results of the 2016 presidential election.

really, wtf!.

the polls were wrong and although it's tempting to blame voter suppression and fbi interference, that would just avoid looking at the real issues for the loss.

Really ? I feel that anybody upholding Trump with his negative baggage as the potential best choice we had in America to be president is an absolute dumb-ass. And I feel Hillary was a close second as well with her negative baggage.

Look- here's the deal. Now that Trump is president-elect - it sets a dangerous precedent. Any minor white child in America can look at his " example " and see that if he gropes females and treats them in a disrespectful way , even sexually assaults them, he can run for president and get elected. If a minor white child has racial prejudice towards those with another skin color- guess what ? It may enable that minor child to be president of the United States some day !

THAT is what electing Trump will do to minor white children under the age of 18. This idiotic country I live in that's voted and enabled a sexual predator and racist into the White House is wittingly or unwittingly enabling millions of white U.S. minor children to accept this kind of behavior as " good " because gee golly- a person could run for president and WIN with these kinds of attitudes ! Millions of U.S. citizens who are dumb as rocks don't realize what kind of dangerous Pandora's box they've opened. I truly fear for this country.

I understand the anger of many young people demonstrating in U.S. cities right now. I'm tempted to join them. They are a hell of a lot more ethical than the guy who is supposed to represent us in the White House. I don't agree with the violence- but I understand the anger that produces the violence. I don't think we've seen the last of it either. Get your crash helmets on folks- I think we're in for a wild ride if this guy lasts out his 4 years as president

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Thanksgiving??

by HereIgo in

with thanksgiving around the corner, i thought it would be interesting to hear how you, your family or other jw's you knew handled/celebrated thanksgiving.

it seems to me that most jw's view it as harmless and unofficially celebrate it the day before or the day after the actual holiday.

growing up, my mother would host a dinner the day after thanksgiving and used the excuse " well the traditional food for the dinner is discounted at this time, might as well have a dinner".

flipper

Interesting thread, thanks for posting. Even though my dad was a die hard elder in the JW cult- I remember when I was a little boy our family would go over to my JW mom's non witness parents house for Thanksgiving- usually the day after and have what my parents called a " family meal " - but my grandparents who weren't Witnesses saw it as " Thanksgiving " .

I'm glad that my JW mom influenced my JW elder dad to have that meal with my non-JW grandparents because my grandparents were really great people. They deserved to have family with them at Thanksgiving. At least I was able to kind of have one of the family holidays as a kid.

I knew a lot of JW's that did the same thing having Thanksgiving the day after. The WT Society is so full of crap they just want to prevent families from being close. I feel it's the main reason they forbid all the holidays. They try to replace your real family with people they call " brothers and sisters " . A good number of whom are assholes anyway. Peace out, mr. Flipper

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So I woke up and Trump was president

by notalone in

so i live in the u.s. i had family that lived in germany when hitler came to power.

i had family that was in london during the blitz.

being raised as a witness i was obsessed with everything having to do with the rise of the nazis.

flipper

Notalone: Do I live in a country where so many are also under some weird mind control, or do their personal problems or ideals outweigh all else,or are people so distanced from others that they just don't care about their well-being ?

Pretty much. There are so many middle and lower class Republicans - talking to them reminds me of talking to witnesses. They have been promised a piece of the pie and they want it now.

It strikes me as totally cultlike the way their leader can do no wrong (and when he does it's because it's "smart" to get ahead by cheating. It's still cheating even if it's just this side of the law. Avoiding your fair share of taxes, not paying your employees and contractors, manipulating your creditors.

The racism and misogyny is really mind boggling. Boys will be boys. Those doggone blacks shouldn't complain - they are a lot better off than they used to be. No joke - I hear this crap.

Notalone, you may want to read up on the history of Fox news. My relatives have been soaking up that stuff for years. They believe that our problems in this country are caused by all the "welfare queens". That if they obediently accommodate the rich the money will "trickle down" to them (instead of flood over to offshore banks.)

It has been getting harder to make a living since the early 80s and people do become more selfish out of desperation. Survival instinct. Some cling to what was this country's mantra,that anyone can get ahead with hard work.

And most religions promote god's will being kind of like "manifest destiny". That those in power were put there by god. Works well for obedience to authority.

This election has got me more long winded than usual.

Mrs. Flipper

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Election Post-Mortem

by Simon in

i'm sure many people, republicans included, are shocked at the results of the 2016 presidential election.

really, wtf!.

the polls were wrong and although it's tempting to blame voter suppression and fbi interference, that would just avoid looking at the real issues for the loss.

flipper

Terminally weird election night. All I can say is I'm glad marijuana became legal out here in California. Because a whole lot of folks are gonna have to smoke a lot of herb to deal with the stress of four years of Trump as president.

In regards to Berengaria's comment, " Trump said it all when he said, " I love the poorly educated " . That is what happened . Period. "

I agree. Listening to the election results last night on AM radio it quoted some statistics that occurred in the Northern Midwest states - basically 7 out of 10 men who were High School educated only - voted for Trump , and 6 out of 10 women who were High School educated only - voted for Trump.

Which leads us to wonder that if college or university graduates voted for Trump - it seems their college or university degree didn't make them much smarter. At least in character assessment.

Of course Putin wants Trump in office. Trump's less experienced in foreign policy than Clinton was - Putin can manipulate Trump like putty in his hands. Putin knew he wouldn't have that chance with Clinton at the helm. So now we have the unknown and people many times fear the unknown. Especially when someone's elected president who has zero background in politics or foreign policy.

I didn't vote Clinton and I didn't vote Trump. I voted Sanders once again . And I agree that the Democratic party screwed itself as many Democratic voters screwed their own party in June and spring elections by choosing Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders. If Sanders had run against Trump - Trump would have lost, I'm very sure of that. But the stupidity of thinking that Hillary Clinton's past shady activities wouldn't come back to haunt her was short sighted within the Democratic party.

I feel race also had a good measure to do with this vote turning out this way as well. American rural whites voted for Trump as a backlash for having 8 years of Obama in the White House as the first African American president . I mean ask yourself - Why do you think KKK leader David Duke is so excited that Trump won ?

I could go on and on about possible voter tampering, hacking of computers from across the pond, etc. to affect outcomes - but that would just start more fights . No sense in that. I just hope president-elect Trump does what he says he's going to do and tries to unite the country. It won't come easy, if it comes at all

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Jehovah's Witnesses DO break up families

by UnshackleTheChains in

this recording was the final straw for me.

https://youtu.be/ks2ld6pjybo.

flipper

UNSHACKLE the CHAINS- thank you very much for posting this thread and both you tubes. My god. I've been in these JC meetings being interrogated like I'm a criminal years ago- and the intrusion into our personal boundaries is disgusting. In your opening you tube audio it wasn't enough for these elders to accept that the young woman had broken off with her boyfriend- oh no- they had to fish around and try to get her on something else like smoking or her parents coming over to help her clean her refrigerator out. This audio made me so angry I'm ready to spit at WT Society GB members for putting these policies into practice. It's barbaric. No wonder this poor young lady ran out of this JC meeting. I would have done the same. Better yet I probably would have climbed across the table and freaking given both elders a taste of my fist on their jaw to be honest. People need to know how abusive these JC meetings really are. Oh- and interestingly enough- not one scripture from the Bible was read in counseling this lady. Shows you they value WT Society opinions first- the Bible , never.

I had tears in my eyes after watching your 2nd you tube of the lady exiting the brethren. Thanks for posting it. There are WAY too many mind control cults on this planet like The Brethren and JW's, Scientology, etc. who absolutely break families up and destroy lives and relationships. Leaders of these cults need to be locked up in prison with the key thrown away for crimes against mankind. Until that happens- more unsuspecting people's lives on this planet will be damaged. Thanks for sharing it just reconfirms to me that I did the right thing in exiting the JW cult over 13 years ago. Take care, Peace out, Mr.Flipper

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How Detached Are The Governing Body From Members Of the Bethel Family Where They Live?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

well consider for a moment the layoffs at bethel?

the gb simply reassigned them out in the field for after many years of service it seems with out batting an eye with no real severance pay.

now to me that spells detachment and lack of any real concern for those who served loyally for years.. spain is trying to get some type benefits for the people/citizens in their country who served the wt corporation for years and are no longer of any use to the corporation.

flipper

BROKEBACK- Great thread, so true. The GB couldn't care less what happens to Bethel layoff recipients OR what happens to rank & file JW's across the planet. The selling off of kingdom halls everywhere is another evidence of that fact- making JW's having to travel in some cases 30 miles one way to just go to meetings because their kingdom halls are sold off for " mother's " financial benefit to the detriment of rank & file JW's needs. To the GB THOSE needs are not important- what's important is the financial success of the WT organization. Pretty twisted and sick - yet they claim to be " Christians " . If they are " Christians " - then I'm a duck who quacks

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Generation of 1914 enjoys another Cubs World Series win!

by OneGenTwoGroups in

for the first time in 108 years, the chicago cubs won the mlb 2016 world series, which is not news to too many of us.

but the volunteers at warwick bethel have an interesting opportunity today.

they can congratulate tony morris on seeing another chicago cub win.

flipper

Actually a generation is about 25-30 years by definition. So it was the 3rd to 4th Governing Body generation to see the Cubs win it all. I'm totally happy for Cubs fans and the Cubs ! But I don't think the GB gives a damn unless the Cubs owners donated their winnings to WT " kingdom interests " . Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Give my Cubbies some love!

by JRK in

jw
friends

how many of you think the cubs deserve a world series championship for the first time in 108 years!?.

jk.

flipper

The circle or wheel of life is now complete ! The sacred tree lives . Congratulations JRK and On The Way Out on the Cubs winning the championship ! Cherish it, relish in it . Really happy for you guys and all you Cubs fans back east. You deserve it.

Makes me feel a little better about my Giants losing to the team who ended up becoming World Champions. Puts things in a little better complexion now. Softens the blow so to speak for me as a Giants fan

P.S. If we ( Giants ) had lost to the Dodgers- now THAT would have burned me up all winter. But this is bearable. Congrats ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Major Doctrinal Changes Must Be On The Way

by notsurewheretogo in

the statement in the article "who is leading gods people today?

" in the feb 17th study edition of the wt is very interesting.. it states: ""the g.b.

is neither inspired nor infallible" ..we can err .in doctrinal matters....".

flipper

" The GB is neither inspired nor infallible " . It might also be a " saving face " move or statement covering the GB's ass if any of them got indicted on criminal charges concerning child abuse issues, no blood transfusion issues, or financial finagling issues that gets them breaking the law. You know- a way of preparing the " flock " that they are just imperfect men doing their " best " in this wicked world.

The GB are so constipated in whatever BS they put out there- they are about to explode

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What a Gifted Musician!

by The Searcher in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8xmslmb1dg

flipper

Wow ! Thanks for sharing Searcher . Beautiful music, beautiful talent in this man. I'm glad you or somebody caught this to share it ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper