Posts by flipper

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Feeling Sad After Uncovering TTATT

by pale.emperor in

my initial pangs of unease and doubt led me to research some things.

well, a lot of things really.

i've never felt comfortable using the bible to try to calculate dates (1914).

flipper

PALE EMPEROR- As many have said here- you are experiencing normal emotions and going through the normal grieving process as many do when leaving this high control organization. It's NOT our fault that the WT Society lied to us and millions of other people. WE are NOT unethical for leaving the Witnesses - WT leaders ARE unethical for lying to us and for covering up child abuse in the organization and letting thousands of people die within their organization due to insisting they follow orders of " no blood transfusions " to save lives. WE don't have blood on our hands - WT Society leaders DO.

That being said it's a really good idea that you downloaded a copy of the latest elders manual. Many people here have done that as well in order to be informed of the twisted and ever changing " rules " that the WT leaders insist the elders play by. It's a good thing to stay informed and one step ahead of them.

You are doing well. Hang in there and just show human love and compassion to your wife - she's under the influence of mind control so she's not as awake as you are to the subversive undercurrent within the WT Society- YET. Don't get in any debates or arguments with her as it just might put up a brick wall even more. There are some great books on how to deal with our cult mind controlled relatives written by Steve Hassan that I highly recommend you read if at all possible. His website is : www.freedomofmind.com. Titles of his books are : Combatting Cult Mind Control. 2. Releasing the Bonds- Empowering People to Think for Themselves. and 3. Freedom of Mind- Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults and beliefs. These books were an incredible help to me after exiting the Witnesses in understanding the tactics that high control organization leaders use to manipulate members inside the organizations. If you get a chance to read them- please do. It will help you understand what happened to you- and it will assist you to understand how your wife is still being manipulated. And how you can carefully assist her in possibly waking up !

I wish you the best man. Just realize and know that we are all here for you buddy. Lots of us have been through this and are here to offer our support. Lots of good people here on this board. Feel free to PM me if you ever need to talk. I offer my friendship to you as others have. Hang in there- Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Muhammad Ali has died few minutes ago.

by Iamallcool in

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/03/us/muhammad-ali/index.html?adkey=bn .

flipper

What a loss indeed. This man stood up to the United States government in the 1960's when it took real balls to do so. Stripped of his heavyweight title for being a conscientious objector for refusing to fight in the Vietnam war which he disagreed with he fought all the way to the Supreme court and had his conviction overturned and came back to be one of the- if not the greatest boxer ever.

This guy was a class act- a showman from the beginning who knew how to work a crowd. His rope-a-dope tactics in the ring causing other boxers to wear themselves out trying to hit him ; and then at the right time he'd nail them with that vicious left hook - game and bout over.

The world has lost a true gentleman who fought for justice and equality. Condolences to his family. Sincerely, mr. Flipper

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UK proposed mandatory child abuse reporting

by Lostandfound in

from the guardian newspaper today in uk not sure how any change will affect jws.

teachers and doctors will face criminal sanctions if they fail to report concerns that children are being abused, under controversial proposals to be discussed in a government consultation.. the clamour for changes to the uk’s child protection law has been growing since the jimmy savile scandal, which exposed how the dj abused hundreds of young victims at institutions across the country.

it emerged that, despite the fact that many people had concerns about savile’s behaviour, very few raised them with the authorities.. in response, the government will shortly announce a 12-week consultation on the mandatory reporting of abuse – in what is being described by supporters as the biggest and most important debate around child protection measures for decades.. advertisementhide.

flipper

LOST AND FOUND- Thanks for posting this. Now we will see whether they hold religions to that same level of responsibility in making mandatory reporting or religious leaders will face criminal prosecution. The problem we face here in the U.S. is there is a general lax attitude in prosecuting religious leaders when it comes to hiding these crimes. Religion gets away with far too much shit rolling downhill- and religions never seem to roll downhill with any damage concerning child abuse. Not unless the leaders themselves are the molesters- THEN the media will get up in arms about it- i.e. Warren Jeffs ( Mormons ), hundreds of Catholic priests ( Catholics ) . No wonder WT leaders want to hide the database JW pedophile list- one or more of their leaders is most probably on that list THEN WT Society would be REALLY screwed if one of the GB started getting prosecuted. The media would be on that like flies on you know what.

It's good that they are taking this seriously in England , I hope the authorities start doing the same here in the U.S. Thanks for posting this

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Please sum up the last decade in JW history

by oldskool in

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i used to be a member of this site, but jumped off a good number of years ago (08?).

i don't have access to my old email, so i'm using a new account.. anyway, i was baptized jw in late 90's.

da'd mid 2000s.. when i left there were three meets a week plus field service.

flipper

" Please Sum Up the Last Decade in JW History "

2006- Lies & Deception

2007- Lies & Deception

2008- Lies & Deception

2009- Lies & Deception

2010- Lies & deception

2011- Lies & Deception

2012- Lies & Deception

2013- Lies & Deception

2014- Lies & Deception

2015- Lies & Deception

That about covers it

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I'm getting disfellowshipped

by raven in

hi everyone, a bit of an update here on my continuing disaster of a situation.. (refer to my previous posts for the full story) my mom met with me yesterday for dinner, it was nice.. however, she brought up the fact that because i live with my boyfriend and how everything has gone down, i will be disfellowshipped.. i think the elders basically have enough proof of this.. due to the anonymous tipper (still have no clue who it was, i live in another town 100's of miles away from my old congregation territory), and my mom telling them.

i'm not sure when they will announce it, or if they will contact me prior.. at this point i feel so emotionally dead i don't care- on the other hand, i don't want to be disfellowshipped because i do not want to loose a relationship with my mom.

that is the whole reason i tried fading out.. .

flipper

Lots of great comments here by very caring people. I feel for your situation Raven. I was DFed for 4 years in the late 1990's and have been inactive and out since 2003- quit attending. I'm still treated by some of my fanatic JW family like I'm DFed- although my older mom has never shunned me. Grreat Teacher's comments about " emotional blackmail " I relate to very well- my older siblings and older elder dad have used that on me for years. It doesn't work. I won't be coerced into a fake relationship just to please them.

If your mom cannot accept you for who you are- it may be time to re-analyze the relationship. Real love doesn't put demands or judgments on people and use religious beliefs as a whipping post. Something I've learned in dealing with some of my still in JW family over the years. We are here as a support to you and offer our friendship to you. As some have said on this thread- you will gain better friendships who are more accepting to you as time goes on. Hang in there

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Newspaper article on Conventions—why so glowing?

by Londo111 in

every year in dozens of cities where conventions are being held, newspapers typically write an article about the event.

there are exceptions, but usually it is like the articles above.

i would love to see more newspaper articles that did some actual objective reporting, rather than puff pieces.

flipper

Orderly, clean, law-abiding, well-groomed individuals who are members of a destructive cult, who will shun anyone who leaves the cult, will look the other way from crimes in their cult if the cult says to. Will die or let their kids die rather than have a blood transfusion.

And with their squeaky clean outer appearance (we know that appearance is big with them), will recruit into their cult without warning recruits of those repercussions.

Kinda like wolves in sheep's clothing even if they don't see that in themselves.

So no, can't give them any credit. Those bikers and politicians may have more genuine concern for their families, and for doing the right thing.

Mrs. Flipper

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Newspaper article on Conventions—why so glowing?

by Londo111 in

every year in dozens of cities where conventions are being held, newspapers typically write an article about the event.

there are exceptions, but usually it is like the articles above.

i would love to see more newspaper articles that did some actual objective reporting, rather than puff pieces.

flipper

If the words were rearranged the article would be accurate: "Loyalty to the Watchtower organization's rules are the biggest factor in our lives. The biggest focus is to positively impact the organization at the expense of household and family. It's a pretty fear-inducing experience."

It is unfortunate that so many in the general public don't have a clue how destructive a cult the Watchtower is. I've run into a lot of people who think of them as harmless church people. I set them straight when I can.

Mrs. Flipper

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Died Due To Refusing Blood Transfusion

by rrb2016 in

well, last monday my mother, a jehovah's witness since her baptism in 1968 died last week because she would not accept a blood transfusion.

she was 76 and had lung and skin cancer.

i know that the cancer would have gotten her anyway, but she was bleeding internally, and was told that she needs a blood transfusion, as her blood count went all the way down to 3.2 (should be 12-14.

flipper

RRB- I'm terribly sorry for the loss of your dear mom. You have my deepest condolences my friend. The WT Society is a criminal organization- and the WT leaders should be prosecuted for murder and crimes against mankind. Especially considering the thousands of JW's like your mother who have died ( or should I say been murdered ) for following the WT Society's insane directives about not receiving life saving blood transfusions. Someone needs to pay for these losses of life. I hope in time somehow, someway a class action lawsuit will be successfully brought against the WT Society leaders for the damage they've caused to thousands of lives.

Meanwhile- please know and be aware that we are thinking of you friend. Any time you want to talk or take a burden off - we are here for you on this board, O.K. ? Take care , Sincerely, Mr. Flipper

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RUSSIA: Jehovah's Witnesses face possible liquidation

by AndersonsInfo in

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http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=2181.

24 may 2016. russia: jehovah's witnesses face possible liquidation.

by victoria arnold, forum 18. if prosecutors proceed with their threat to liquidate the jehovah's witness headquarters near st petersburg, thousands of local congregations across russia could also face prohibition of their activities and individuals could be vulnerable to criminal charges for expressing their beliefs, forum 18 notes.. the jehovah's witnesses' principal body in russia is under threat of dissolution as an "extremist" organisation after the deadline in an official warning from the general prosecutor's office expired on 10 may, forum 18 notes.

flipper

Very interesting. Thanks for posting this Barbara. WT Society leaders are actually blood guilty if you look at the thousands of JW's who have died due to following criminal WT indoctrination refusing blood transfusions, thousands of child abuse victims who have committed suicide over 137 years of this organization existing, thousands more committing suicide after being dfed and shunned, and also there's Malawi ! Hundreds of JW's dying for what ? Because WT leaders told them NOT to buy a political party card.

We could go on and on. Russia is well within their rights to look at this group as a subversive, dangerous mind control organization. Every bit as dangerous as Scientology. Perhaps more dangerous due to the subtle nature of the deceptions as opposed to being outright aggressive in the news media like Scientology. Harder to detect. Go Russia. Now only if the U.S. and F.B.I. would bring the hammer down more on the WT Society . At least regarding criminal WT child abuse

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Critical Thinking-is that phrase a stigma?

by PaintedToeNail in

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when i first heard the term 'critical thinking' it was as a teenager during a watchtower study.

the study went on to elaborate how we shouldn't be swayed by critical thinking.

there was no explanation that the term didn't mean 'to criticize' thoughts and words, but rather that it means 'to objective think and to evaluate thoughts and words'.

flipper

PAINTED TOE NAIL - Good thread. You bring up an interesting point regarding how the Watchtower Society or Jehovah's Witnesses are constantly CHANGING the real definitions of words in everyday language. Your last sentence in your thread says it all, " Especially since the BORG uses the term Critical Thinking like it's a swear word. "

Very true. But remember - THAT is the BORG and JW's who view the term " critical thinking " as a swear word- people in the REAL " outside " world look at " critical thinking " as a GOOD thing to possess.

JW's have been indoctrinated to misuse, abuse, butcher, and create a new errant WT language due to WT Society indoctrination. So many examples of this , for instance : the word " worldly " . When you think of the JW definition of that word it denotes negativity as well that a person would be " bad " - or a sinner - but in the REAL " outside " world the term " worldly " has a positive definition of a person who is wise, is informed, and street smart in being aware of trends, customs, or news that is happening around them in the world. Which is a good thing.

The WT Society also changes the definition of the word " generation ". Once again - WT Society's view of that word in a length of 70 - 80 years and even TWO lengths of 70 - 80 years when they describe two overlapping " generations ". But that's not true. In the REAL world a " generation " consists of 25 to 30 years time from when we are born till we are at age when our children or the NEXT " generation " is born !

So the WT Society is deceptive and manipulative using mind control over JW's EVEN in their misuses of word definitions in order to keep tight control over JW's minds so the WT leaders can conveniently keep abusing JW people and keep control over their minds, lives, finances, and destiny.

Whether it's " critical thinking ", " worldly ", or " generation " - there are many other words that WT Society misrepresents on purpose to keep JW's confused, misinformed, and mentally stunted in order to keep them under control and have access to their money. It's all a scam to deceive and control. I agree with you that we should use positive versions of these words to assist JW's , but at the same time I refuse to assist the WT Society by saying they are using these words correctly. If anything that would send a JW back into the mind control and misuse of words. But I agree with you that there are other words we can describe things to JW's with that won't confuse them. It takes care on our part to think this out even before we engage a JW in conversation. Good thread, thanks for posting it