Posts by flipper

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I gave the elders some ammo to use

by atacrossroads in

jw
friends

i was having dinner at olive garden with my cousin who was disfellowshipped for apostacy.

a holier than thou pioneer couple saw us.

if that was not enough i saw her take a picture of me with my cousin.

flipper

ATACROSSROADS- I'm so sorry that you have such caustic and poisonous JW relatives. I have some as well who would probably just as soon see me dead and thank " Jehovah " for it. Try to remember they are just a bunch of mind controlled jack-asses repeating the company line of WT leaders. They are in the wrong- not us. Please know and be aware that we are here for you, O.K. ? Hang in there, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Too Much Discontent in Congregation Part 1

by Simon Templar in

i am seeing and hearing many, many long-time jws openly expressing problems with either the watchtower society itself, the publications, changing doctrine, incorrectly living their lives as a result of bad doctrine, the behavior of the boe and other related things.

i will share some of these things in several posts, because there are just too many of them.

the complaints that i hear from publishers and pioneers are many.

flipper

SIMON, thanks for giving us this information. With the WT Society cutting back construction of kingdom halls, laying off Bethel members and special pioneers, cutting back the magazines, and generally requiring more donations from congregations - I believe we will hear more and more complaints from JW's in the next few years.

STEVE 2- It's true that JW's have complained before about elders, but mostly in private as I recall when I used to be a JW 13 years ago. NOW It seems rank & file JW's are more OPENLY expressing their dissatisfaction about elders to others in the congregation which used to be a big " no-no ". But let's face it- with ALL of the shit being thrown on top of JW's from the WT leaders nowadays - a person in time can't stay buried under the shit - they have to crawl out of it or start slinging it back at elders in time. I hope the leaders of this organization get so buried in excrement that they can't escape the consequences themselves

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JWs have more good points than bad

by lsw1961 in

1) many who were on the destructive path have been transformed by their teachings (this includes me who was once vicious, and presumptuous and atheistic).

2) equal monthly pay to all members of the bethel community regardless of whether they are bc members or sweepers.

this is something that still remains as an unattainable dream for the world.

flipper

ISW- Apparently you live in a " dream world " a " utopia " which will never happen. You stated that when you had questions and doubts you mentioned them to the elders they told you to " wait on Jehovah " ? I'm afraid you're going to have an awfully long wait my friend. It's not Jehovah that makes the decisions and WT policy for WT leaders - it's their corporate WT attorney's and the governing body and writing committee that creates those policies.

Look- Here's the deal please do research and inform yourself about the criminal hiding of child abuse within the JW organization that WT leaders are currently doing. Perhaps then you wouldn't be so supportive of their teachings if you REALLY knew what's going on behind the scenes. 99 % of JW's don't know what WT leaders are really up to.

Please google WT Society child abuse Gilbert Lopez case - and you'll see that he was molested by an elder whom the WT Society appointed as an elder with full knowledge that he had molested 7 other JW children. The judge in that case requested GB member Gerrit Losch to testify on the stand as to the policies of the WT Society in how they handle child abuse. He REFUSED to testify . The judge requested the WT Society to provide a list of names of 23,000 JW pedophiles that WT Society has on a computer database file who still attend at their meetings. WT Society REFUSED to hand over that list of names to the courts. The judge then slapped the WT Society with contempt of court and ordered them to pay 13.5 million $$$$$ to the victim Gilbert Lopez .

And you say that this is the organization that you are supporting ? You are supporting a criminal organization my friend . No amount of seemingly " good " things they do can make up for the criminal conduct of aiding and abetting and hiding child molesters from the law. If you cannot SEE this- then you are just as guilty as WT leaders and complicit with them in their criminal actions because you support them. Think about it

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Letter to be read at meeting this week about the downsize

by dropoffyourkeylee in

a family member who is a bethelite informed me today that there is a letter to be read soon ( this week or next) concerning the downsizing.

so probably someone who has their midweek meeting early in the week will be able to fill in the details.

flipper

SIR 82- What I meant by HUGE wasn't that it will cause the JW's to change- however - it will get them to talking about the layoffs in a way that might get them to thinking with their non-cult minds if just for a minute causing some angst within themselves . I mean hell- if the child abuse lawsuits haven't changed them I don't think this will - but JW's love them a good rumormongering . So it will be huge in that it gets them talking about it all over the planet. I believe that is what I meant

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Letter to be read at meeting this week about the downsize

by dropoffyourkeylee in

a family member who is a bethelite informed me today that there is a letter to be read soon ( this week or next) concerning the downsizing.

so probably someone who has their midweek meeting early in the week will be able to fill in the details.

flipper

I haven't attended in about 13 years- but this will be HUGE if this downsizing is announced at regular congregation meetings. Oh of course the fanatic JW's will still make excuses for it like " getting more service time in " etc. - however- many JW's that are doubting the WT leaders sincerity at present will wonder WTF ? It will make them nervous and as all good JW's do- they will start talking among themselves about the cutbacks creating a self inflicting rumor mill of paranoia running around on the Internet, jw.org , blogs, tweeting, texting . I can see the rumor mill getting ready to amp up any day now. If you are a JW - it's what you do - gossip and spread rumors

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Our assembly expenses were $16,900 for ONE DAY - Please share yours

by nmthinker in

~2300 in attendance.

one day cost of $16,900!.

this was at romeoville, which was built ground up in the 90's and was fully paid for by the illinois circuits!.

flipper

Wow. I haven't attended in over 13 years - but this sounds like big time extortion of rank & file publishers to me ! Without any real proof of these alleged " expenses " - I wish to hell some " conscious class elders " who know TTATT would ream these WT leaders a new a-hole and sue for these supposed " expenses ". If you are out there and reading this - DO IT ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Brooklyn Bethel Tours Through The Roof

by freemindfade in

was speaking with someone last night who just recently toured the us bethel's.

the brooklyn tour i heard was awful, very limited and disappointing and conducted by a local pioneer and not even a bethelite.

well from what they are telling the folks on the tour since the tm3 bit encouraging (guilting) people about going to disneyland on vacation when you haven't visited bethel, monthly tours went from 6000 to 16000!

flipper

This is so cool. Let's ratchet up the old " fear & guilt " in the rank & file ( Thanks Tony Morris III ) and chastise them for going to Disneyland ! Pretty good. Then they'll get to visit an " empty Bethel " accompanied by a struggling regular pioneer trying to get his time in. I swear to God you cannot make this stuff up- WT leaders are SO weird. THEY are the ones who will cause this organization to collapse all on their own by their idiot actions. They don't even NEED our help as EX-JW's ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Refused to go to meeting wife broke frying pan on my car....now SHE is inactive 4 years my advice!!!

by Witness 007 in

my wife is a stubborn stubborn woman.

when we got the internet in 1998 i slowly faded due to trying to prove apostates are lairs and scum...only to find they told nothing but "the truth.

" every qoute was checked and re-checked.

flipper

WITNESS 007- I'm glad to hear that your wife eventually exited the cult ! Great news ! I'd take my wife with a free mind dropping f-bombs any day over a JW stepford wife ! LOL . Good job bud

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Hi First Post Here

by Distracted in

jw
friends

just wanted to break the ice and write my first post here and also talk about some things that are bothering me.

i don't go to meetings anymore and i have become inactive for years now.

i don't believe the witnesses have the truth more than any other organized religion.

flipper

DISTRACTED- Welcome to the board my friend. You are among friends who have been through similar experiences, myself included . I exited the Witnesses at age 44 after being a born and raised JW- believe me freedom of mind is sweet. Look forward to being of support to you in your journey my friend. Hang in there and take care

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ANNOUNCEMENT CLIP ...2015 Annual meeting Sam Herd confirming what we knew a month ago about slow down and halt of worldwide construction

by Watchtower-Free in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_h68ktwpim&feature=youtu.be.

flipper

The WT leaders are just TOO arrogant and prideful to ever admit that their ignorant handling of the finances of the organization has caused this deficit requiring cutbacks. WT leaders have NEVER admitted to mistakes - whether it's about their child abuse policies or handling of finances - because they act like they CANNOT be in error due to allegedly being appointed by " God's holy spirit " - thus in their own minds they are not only deceiving themselves , but deceiving over 8 million people to throw caution to the wind by extorting millions of $$$$ for WT leaders own purposes. To keep a 136 year old organization going at all costs. Even though it's not financially prudent. They don't give a shit. It's " let's steer this organization into a financial iceberg and see if it stays afloat " . " Jehovah " didn't protect the Titanic, he sure as hell won't protect WT leaders from making stupid decisions