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  Hubby has been doing research on the internet!!!!

  by atacrossroads in

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  my husband was recently subjected to an intervention by his parents.

  i am apparently a danger to his spirituality.

  after i stopped attending meetings and went apostate hubby decided to resign as a ms to spend more time with me.

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  ATACROSSROADS- I'm so happy for you and your husband ! Enjoy your freedom of mind and don't let ANYBODY- including both sets of parents steal that freedom away from you. Take care, we are here for you
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  The fade did not work

  by BeautifulMind in

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  not long after learning ttatt, my hubby and i decided it would be best for us to fade.

  his entire family is in, but not in the same cong.

  we made it to the region convention and one sunday meeting after that.

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  BEAUTIFUL MIND- Congratulations to you and your husband for both waking up to getting back your freedom of mind and freedom of movement in your lives. Just before I stopped attending for good back in 2003 I also experienced the lack of love, lack of caring from anybody in the congregation . Everybody seemed so fake, just putting up a façade of showing genuine interest in me- and I was experiencing unjust treatment after being reinstated for a year and a half. I asked myself, " Was I DFed for 4 years to come back to THIS treatment ? " I thought . " I'd rather be DFed ! " So I stopped cold turkey, became inactive and never went back. As you said, best decision I ever made
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  Grandparents take disfellowshipped daughter to court to insist on right to preach to four year old

  by usualusername1 in

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  http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/jehovah-s-witness-grandparents-ordered-to-keep-faith-to-themselves-1.3282193 .

  a pair of devout jehovah's witnesses have been ordered by a b.c.

  provincial court judge not to talk about religion in front of their four-year-old granddaughter.. the couple lost their bid for unsupervised access to the girl because they insisted on taking her to worship at their faith's kingdom hall despite the repeated objections of the child's mother.. the girl is identified only as a.w.

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  A HUGE problem within the Jehovah's Witness organization is a rabid lack of respect for non-Witnesses personal boundaries. Any mother or father who is raising a child has the right to decide what that child learns. This story in the opening thread could be repeated thousands of times even as JW's go knocking on doors of people they are trying to convert. It's really even disrespectful to make return visits on ANY minor children when you think about it without authorization from their parents.

  I remember years ago when I used to be a JW getting negative feedback from parents of teenagers I used to place literature with ; and the parents would tell their teenagers I couldn't call on them anymore or the parent would come to the door saying to " stop calling on my child, we're not interested. " And THAT is as it should be. JW's do NOT have the right to force their religious beliefs on anyone ; much less a minor child. JW's do NOT honor personal boundaries. For most JW's there ARE no boundaries
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  I'm not religious I'm spiritual?

  by Joliette in

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  how do you guys feel when you hear people say this?

  whenever i tell people that i'm not religious, a humanist, they said i'm not religious either, i'm spiritual.

  i consider myself to be a humanist, and i can't tell you guys how happy i am being a humanist.

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  flipper

  Definition of spiritual in the Webster's Dictionary : " 1. Of the spirit or the soul as distinguished from the body or material matters 2. of, from, or concerned with the intellect ; intellectual 3. of or consisting of spirit ; not corporeal 4. characterized by the ascendancy of the spirit ; showing much refinement of thought and feeling 5. of religion or the church ; sacred, devotional, or ecclesiastical ; not lay or temporal 6. spiritualistic or supernatural - n. 1. any of a type of American folk hymn ; any of such songs originating among U.S. blacks in the 18th and 19th centuries combining African and European musical elements 2. religious or church matters. "

  So definitely spirituality covers a large brushstroke for different people . Personally I'm like you Joliette- I consider myself a humanist who gets " spiritual " feelings from doing OTHER things that are not religious. Like enjoying the company of close friends . I feel " spiritual " when I play music , write songs, or just practice guitar on my deck looking out over the forest and canyons . I feel a " spirituality " well up in me when I walk in meadows, near rivers, lakes, and remote mountain canyons as it helps a person think deeply using their " refinement of thought and feeling " mentioned in definition # 4.

  I'm definitely NOT religious in any sense of the word - but feel I can be spiritual in an assortment of ways ! Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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  My First Birthday.....

  by The Marvster in

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  i awoken today and realised immidiately i'm 44 today... and after 3 years of being out, decided to acknowledge my birthday.... i'm off out to treat myself to a big hearty breakfast with cup of tea in the local weatherspoon's by the massive pond full of weird bird-life, later today i'm giving myself a gift of a 90 minute relaxation session in a float tank down by canary wharf in london.... only really have 2 close friends (it's a slow process trusting people agian) and they probably won't be able to see me today, but i'm sure i'll have a belated surprise from them both.... the first thing i did when i remembered was to rush to the computer, connect to the web and put on stevie wonder's 'happy birthday', as i listen to it, tears stream down my face... all those years of my life stolen ' but..... i'm free....'.

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  MARVSTER- Have a very Happy Birthday and lots of fun ! You deserve it ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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  What are the things that wake people up from the Watchtower Corporation?

  by punkofnice in

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  when i became an elder i saw the dark side.

  a side i previously believed couldn't possibly exist in the one true religion of the happiest people on earth.. then they rolled out 'overlapping generations(tm)' and that was the last straw.. all my life i had doubts but surpressed them thinking i was at fault and not the cult leaders.. it seems more likely that now the governing body are parading around like popes, wearing their expensive jewellery, that this will nauseate even dyed in the wool jws.. i wonder if the wake up can be condensed into main categories?.

  1. experiencing the cruel handling of matters by the wbt$ reps.. 2. crazy doctrine (eg.

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  PUNK- Yeah, I definitely agree with you, it seems to be either suffering unjust treatment from others or authority figures within the JW cult or disagreeing with doctrines and teachings that get people to exit. I know I initially exited due to suffering unjust treatment from elders AND watching OTHER people suffer unjust treatment caused me to wake up also. Narrows it down quite nicely although at 7:15 A.M. in the morning out here in California on the west coast in the U.S. I'm not thinking too clearly right now. I can't think of any other reasons at the moment. Too early in the morning
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  Why Do You No Longer Believe in God?

  by Tenacious in

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  i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?

  was it the wts and all its crap?

  was it something you read?

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  Observing human behavior - the lies and manipulations done to control those lower on the food chain. And to put others lower on the food chain.

  I was raised with the myths of Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, the easter bunny and God.

  The message was simple: be good (obedient) and you will be rewarded. Be bad you will experience loss (no gifts, no attention). And with God the threat of torturous punishment.

  Age 6 to 7 kids figure out no Santa, fairy or bunny and adults admit it's just fun stuff for little kids.

  My kid mind thinks that they wait till high school or so to tell you about God. Then realizing they believe it themselves, and how useful their belief is to keep them in line to authority.

  As someone stated earlier, the whole gruesome set up of living things eating each other certainly didn't point to some loving sky entity.

  To a lot of my family members "atheist" was a horrible, unthinkable thing so I learned to keep to myself about it until adulthood.

  Read the bible a bit as a kid and thought it was ridiculous stuff made up to control people. I've always been blown away by the blind faith people have - to believe something with no evidence. To "just know it"

  I understand the human need for magic and escape from the reality of death. My early conditioning kicks in in times of loss and grieving. I find myself wishing for some spirit message from the departed, looking around for signs.

  Mrs. F
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  Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christians. It's impossible.

  by DATA-DOG in

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  2. beliefs

  good morning.

  i was just checking out the forum and something occured to me.

  jws simply cannot be christians.

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  flipper

  The word "Christian" is nothing more than a marketing tool for the Watchtower.

  Not religious myself, but it seems Christianity tries to promote kindness, generosity, forgiveness. Ain't much of that in the jw religion.

  As a kid sent to Catholic grade school, I thought that religion was mean and petty. The jws are way worse. And the closer to the top the worse it gets.

  They behave like they were raised by wolves. What is more mean and selfish than sucking up to god by throwing your family under the bus (shunning) so that you can cheat death.

  Mrs. F
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  All C. O. D.O Who Became Governing Body Members Hands Are Dirty In Many Child Molestation Cases Cover Up Lawsuits

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

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  2. scandals

  what say you and i bet when records get subpoenaed many get grilled in court.

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  BROKEBACK- You make a good and very valid point in this thread. I mean think about it : Why else would the GB not allow Losch to testify in the Gilbert Lopez San Diego child abuse lawsuit trial and why else would WT leaders refuse to allow the courts to see the database pedophile list of 20,000 or more when requested by the judge in that trial ? And that the WT Society was more willing to pay out 13.5 million $$$$ to Lopez in order not to reveal the details of their database pedophile list ? You bet your sweet ass there is some damaging information on that database list. No worries. It will all tumble out of the closet I believe in true WT skeleton form in the next several years
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  is there trully a GOD

  by piledriver in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the answer every person and religion wants to know is .

  is there trully a god no false prophets yes .theres two many to even think about who just want your money and time to spread there evil word .no god is more important in this lifetime that you have on this world than the love you recive and give to your real family .

  anyone who is a jehovah's witnesses trully knows they are in a cult not a religion minipulated and threatend with emotional blackmail and pain it makes them feed off your sadness and manipulate there flock into beiving this what jehovah ( false prophet) wants pure sanctamonius bullshit read the book shepard the flock of god charles teze russle was the founder but and since jesus is the founder of chrisianity the organisation regard him as the true founder of there fake faith plus he c.t russle was a child molester .

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  flipper

  " Is there truly a God " ?

  Possibly not, who knows ? None of us really know. Personally I kind of doubt " God's " existence - but the key is to not lose sleep over it- go live your life. It's not that big of a deal. We can be good people and do good things for others without needing to be " rewarded " for our efforts from a " sky daddy " or " sky mommy ". The " reward " is in seeing people be happy from our efforts at making peaceful relations with others and allowing people the freedom to make their own life's decisions. And honoring the dignity of our fellow humans. Peace out, Mr. Flipper