Posts by flipper

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Every Governing Body Decision is from Jehovah

by B4Right in

how do you convince a jw that every decision that comes from the governing body is not from god?.

my mom who is a pioneer said that the students are getting their work book a month early, then proceeded to say " jehovah knows what we need".. for you who now know ttat what did it take for you?.

flipper

B4RIGHT- Ask your mom if it's " Jehovah " guiding the governing body by holy spirit to NOT allow Gerrit Losch to testify in courts about WT child abuse allegations in San Diego ? Ask her if it's " Jehovah's holy spirit " that's guiding the governing body to refuse a court order to release WT documents about 24,000 pedophiles in their organization who are molesting children which the WT Society knows about ? Ask her if it's " Jehovah " who instructs elders to stand in contempt of court by refusing to disclose and share those documents to " Caesars authorities " ? You know - " God's things to God " and " pay back " Caesars things to Caesar " ? Might get her thinking ! Might cause her some cognizant dissonance as well- but that's a good thing because it will get her thinking that the GB DOEs things on it's own apart from " Jehovah's " instruction. Good luck. Peace out, mr. Flipper

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Embarrassing relatives.

by Xanthippe in

my cousin phoned yesterday to tell me my jw sister sent her a sympathy card for her husband's death and tucked inside there was something else, she lowered her voice.

what was it i wondered?

a nice letter, pictures of her new grandchild (she lives many miles away)?

flipper

XANTHIPPE- I know exactly what you're talking about. I could SO relate to your question, " Do you sometimes look at your siblings still in and wonder if you were adopted " ?

Oh yes indeed that thought has crossed my mind ! My older JW siblings are 67, 65, and 64 years old - ALL 3 of them still fully stuck in the JW mind control and totally unaccepting towards me or most anything going on in my life as I stopped attending 11 years ago at age 44, I'm 55 now. They are stranger than a seven dollar bill believe me.

I'm sorry that your cousin and you are having to deal with these relatives at funerals. I am NOT looking forward to going to my JW mom or dad's funeral when it happens - but by gawd- I won't allow my siblings or anybody else to come up to me to try to " comfort" me with a " pretend " resurrection hope or I'll verbally knock their blocks off. I just have no tolerance for these people not mourning the proper way and making themselves appear almost giddy at JW funerals.

I feel the same way you do- my siblings have shunned me all these years - even WHEN I was in the cult they didn't have much to do with me and after my folks die, THEN they'd show me caring ? It will really have me wondering , " what's the angle or motive " ? And we KNOW the angle- it's to " try and save our souls from destruction and get us back to meetings . " Uh-huh. Ain't gonna happen with this boy. Good luck to you Xanthippe

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Well...I blew it

by Garrett in

jw
friends

(follow up to my last post).

i let it rip.

i can't take stupidity from people i thought were capable of using their brain.

flipper

GARRETT- I totally understand. I had been out of the JW cult since 2003 and when I found out that the WT child abuse problem in 2006 or 2007 was much bigger than I had even known- I was infuriated. I wanted to tell everybody I knew about it- which I did, especially my daughters who were in their early 20's as JW's then. I got similar responses you did. Now I pick and choose who to tell this to- mainly JW's in my area and non-JW's who don't know me.

But it's good that you tried telling her, it helps you to see a little more about how mind controlled she is. Don't apologize for getting angry about it- you have a right to be angry , especially after what you experienced personally. Hang in there guy. We are with you

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Oregon, Hillsboro Tribune, Article: Jehovah's Witness sex abuse case in feds' hands

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.pamplinmedia.com/ht/117-hillsboro-tribune-news/255785-125363-jehovahs-witness-sex-abuse-case-in-feds-hands.

lawsuit seeks $10.5 million from hillsboro church, watchtower society .

attorneys for a 40-year-old woman and a 38-year-old man who say they were sexually abused nearly 30 years ago by a church elder in hillsboro want to have a lawsuit filed by the pair last fall placed back in state court jurisdiction.

flipper

" The lawsuit also charges that Castellanos sexually abused OTHER minor Jehovah's Witnesses during the same period and that the defendants failed to report him to the police or warn other parents , even after learning of the abuse. " That is probably the most important statement in the entire article. The most incriminating against the WT Society.

And this statement, " Castellanos was disciplined or " disfellowshipped " by the congregation's leaders, but was ALLOWED BACK IN some time later......... " Another important statement indicating WT liability in allowing him BACK in to have once again access to molesting multiple children.

" The religious denomination ( WT Society ) has a " collection of reports on child abusers they DON'T WANT TO TURN OVER. "

And why is that ? Because WT Society feels it will cost them hundreds of millions $$$ in child abuse lawsuits as opposed to paying out 10 million $$$$ here and 13 million there . WT Society knows that turning over that list of JW child molesters WILL cost them their whole ballgame as it may definitely incriminate WT higher ups and top dog WT officials. WT is running scared. They better be, because once this gets to the state courts and even federal courts the media exposure will get even greater than it has already with the PBS Newshour and ABC Nightline WT child abuse reports.

It's a criminal organization hiding pedophiles in a criminal way- and it needs to stop and it's time for the WT Society to pay for it's crimes whether that be prison time for officials or huge monetary penalties. They need to answer for their crimes

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Were you or someone you know sexually molested by a Jehovah's Witness ?

by flipper in

due to the fact there are about 27,000 members of this religion that are known pedophiles, and the information about it is kept in a secret database file, i wonder how many lurking jw's as well as others are aware of the severity of this problem?

remember, it's 27,000 pedophiles that they know about.

what about the thousands that don't get caught?

flipper

YODASTAR- Good points you make. Being raised up in the JW cult from birth I didn't realize how bad the child abuse problem was inside the Jehovah's Witness organization. Not until a few years before I exited the cult did I know how bad it was when a " brother " ran up to the stage as the WT study ended and grabbed the microphone from the WT conductor elder and yelled to the 150 in the audience , " Brother so and so who is sitting over there is a CHILD MOLESTER and he has molested 7 children through many years here ! " As he pointed at this " brother " who was a child molester the elder ( WT Conductor ) grabbed the microphone from this " brother " and stated , " Brothers and sisters we know about this situation and we are handling it. " This happened in 1998.

But this " brother " who pointed out the child molester became my new hero. So after I exited the cult in 2003 and read HOW bad the child abuse problem had become I realized WHY this " brother " felt he needed to grab the microphone and point out the child molester. Because elder bodies DRAG their feet in handling it AND the elders will NEVER inform parents in the congregation who a molester is ! So the " brother " took it upon himself to inform parents. Good for him. Otherwise- how would parents know WHO to protect their children from ?

As you mentioned many elders have been accused AND guilty of child molestation within the JW cult. Many times it gets buried, swept under the carpet and police authorities are not called. It's a secret organization hiding criminal actions. Shout it out loud to everyone you meet.

NAMBO- I'm so sorry your JW niece was raped by her own father. How disgusting. I'm glad it got covered in the media and I'm glad some of that family exited the JW organization after that happened. I hope you have remained close to your niece in showing her support. She definitely needs it. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Need your thoughts... Again

by Garrett in

jw
friends

(sorry for any typos, i'm on my ipad) so, remember how in my last post i mentioned that i had told some of my dear friends why i decided to leave?

well, one of those friends was a girl... not just any girl, but rather, a girl that i've loved since the moment i've met her.

she used to say that she considered me her best friend and we were really close she just never really returned my feelings for her due to different circumstances i presume.. but i always felt a connection.. anyways, after telling her that i decided to leave because of multiple reasons but that the tolerance of child sex abuse was the final straw, she responded asking where i got my information and that she wanted to talk about it with me.. this feels like an opportunity for me to tell her about my findings, what do you think?

flipper

Garrett - If you love her and she feels the same for you- you should be open to her. I would show her the NEWS you tubes of PBS News Hour and the ABC Nightline you tube as well which both were done in an excellent fashion. No apostate connections- just pure major news agencies presenting facts of WT child abuse that has occurred.

I would avoid saying ANYTHING to indicate you've received this information on any ex-JW website. Of course, that goes without saying. Good luck to you, with observing her response this may give you an insight as to whether you will be able to progress in a relationship with this person. I wish you the best

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HBO Scientology Documentary

by tresdecu in

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friends

has anyone else seen the hbo scientology documentary 'going clear' - wow...cults are just mind-blowing you wonder how people can fall for that garbage, then you (those of us former/fading jws) look in the mirror.. i would love for someone to make a major jw documentary like this.

'going clear' is getting a lot of press.

poor tom cruise...he looks like quite the whack job in it too.

flipper

If the WT Society keeps getting coverage in the media about countless child abuse scandals- give it time- I believe ABC or PBS or some other major network WILL go after them. If they've gone after Scientology, Catholics, and Mormons - it's only a matter of time before MANY of WT Society's dark secrets are exposed.

That being said- I'm VERY glad this HBO documentary on Scientology took place. My wife and I are listening to it on you tube right now. Scientology is like Jehovah's Witnesses on steroids. The leaders are dangerous, violent, and many of the tendencies and shunning practices are VERY much like the JW cult. People need to be warned about the danger . Don't worry people- this will happen in an exposed fashion to the WT Society. Karma WILL come and bite them in the ass ; just like Scientology. Spread the word

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First Post and Using the memorial to wake up family members

by dgeero in

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friends

this is my first post here though i've been a long time lurker.

my story in a nutshell:.

started having doubts after the new silver sword and watchtower study regarding overlapping generations.

flipper

DGREEO- Nice to have you here hope things work out for your family as well. You are among friends here who will show you support. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Introducing my self

by WasOnceBlind in

i stumbled upon this site about a week ago while googling a question.

the question was "why can't jw's have beards?

" i read the responses and realized the truth in them.

flipper

WASONCEBLIND- Welcome to the board. Nice having you here. Thanks for sharing your story- very interesting. I'm happy for you that you and your wife and children are free not trapped in this criminal organization called the WT Society. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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How do you feel about religion as a whole?

by FatherFirst in

it just seems to me religion in general primarily makes truly bad people worse, not genuinly good people better; and in many cases has even made good people do bad things in the name of their religion.

just curious, a personal poll if you will.

what are you guys' current views on religion as a whole?

flipper

A person doesn't HAVE to be religious to do good to and for others or to BE a good person. One thing that's always bothered me is how when I've met somebody for the first time that's a " born again " Christian or is very active in their church- when initially meeting them they always have to tell me " I'm a Christian " - or " " we're Christians " - and I feel like saying , " so your point is " ? I mean- I don't say when I first meet somebody, " Hi ! My name is Flipper, I'm an agnostic or atheist ! "

Point is - I don't CARE what somebody CLAIMS to be - I'm more concerned with getting to know who they are AUTHENTICALLY - not their branding or marketing of themselves through some organization or religious affiliation. I'm not going to tell somebody I'm better than them for being an agnostic or atheist- but by gawd- I'm not going to believe anybody that says they are better than me because they're "Christian" either. Because it has NO bearing on whether a person is evil or good. Peace out, Mr. Flipper