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  October 1914? Really?

  by sylvlef in

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  km august 2014, page 3 paragraph 6(article for this week's service meeting):.

  "the month of october 2014 will see the 100th anniversary of the establishment of the kingdom.

  for this occasion a special edition of the watchtower will be on this theme.".

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  neverendingjourney

  2nd Oct 1914 has always been the end of the Gentile times. The Watchtower just hopes people don't notice that WW1 does not sync up with the start of the last days.

  To this day I still kick myself over this. I actually figured that out before I was baptized. There was some older publication I was reading that specifically referred to October 1914. Most of the newer publications don't use the month and year preferring simply to focus on 1914 as the start of the end time. I have always been interested in history and knew WWI had begun in the summer of that year. I remember bringing this up to a young, zealous JW who was a few years older than me and between the two of us we couldn't figure out an explanation. I remember dropping the subject since in my naive opinion there was so much truth I was being exposed to and this subject was nothing in comparison to the great truths the Witnesses possessed.

  I wish I had looked deeper into this subject, but this was happening in the mid-90s when the internet wasn't widely available.
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  I think this is closure for me.

  by quellycatface in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  well, i have finally got rid of my baptism cards.

  the congratulations cards....the wt ones, the ones with sheep on etc.... all gone.

  they dated back to 23/09/2000.. has anyone else "purged" their witness past this way?.

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  neverendingjourney

  I have an almost-new deluxe bible I haven't been able to bring myself to throw away just yet. I've dumped a lot of literature, but I've held on to a few items including a few bibles and my pioneer school book. I'll eventually get around to trashing it, but I can be a bit of a pack rat at times.
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  It's All About Tablets

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well, that seems to be the latest hot thing amoung witnesses.

  everybody buys a tablet.

  even the poor families that eat carb heavy meals are gettin' em.. maybe they can't afford the latest apple product like the maxi/mini pad or whatever they're calling it these days so a trip to ebay or overstock.com fills the bill.. use it instead of a songbook.

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  neverendingjourney

  Up until three years ago, my father didn't even know how to turn on a computer. We bought him a PC and he now spends almost his entire day playing with it.

  He most recently wanted an Ipad and my brother who is still a Witness bought him one. My dad has been inactive almost since the day he got baptized. He only occassionaly goes to meetings, but after my brother bought him the Ipad, my dad started going again so he could show off the Ipad.

  I think he's over that phase now, but I never ask my family about anything having to do with the religion. My mother occassionally passes along tidbits here and there, though.
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  stupid statement in watchtower about appointments of elders

  by hoser in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  after going through all the processes of how they appointed elders in the past they say this:.

  "the elders in turn would inform the newly appointed men of their appointment, asking them if they were willing and actually qualified to accept the assignment.

  so after qualifying the man you ask him if he is qualified.. .

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  neverendingjourney

  DoC - Damn, I provided too many clues. lol.

  It was an issue for me, too. I was a 17/18 year old regular pioneer and I had good reason to believe that I would be appointed around the time I turned 19 or 20. But I kept ratting myself out for buying a dirty magazine or touching myself where I shouldn't. As silly as it now sounds, the guilt was too much to bear. The elders always had a pained look that suggested they wished I had just kept my mouth shut. It kept me from ever being appointed, which in hindsight was a very, very good thing.
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  jw logo vs people who wear a cross. IDOL WORSHIP IS STILL IDOL WORSHIP

  by goingthruthemotions in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  last week out in service i saw an elder wearing a jw.org pin.

  and thought.....hmmm isn't this idol worship?

  what a double standard.....it's ok to promote the borg with a pin...but not ok to promote jesus by wearing a. cross?.

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  neverendingjourney

  I made this point many years ago in the context of Watchtower lapel pins. It was a fad some 15 years ago in my area. One of those Witness field service supply companies was selling them.

  One long-time MS took it upon himself to buy a pile and distribute them only amonng elders and COs. There was a crowd gathered at the hall patting themselves on the back about it and I bluntly asked them what he difference was between those lapel pins and a wearing a necklace with a cross. One of them got red in the face he was so angry at me, but he held it back.
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  You should meet Brother Smart Engineer

  by garyneal in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my wife, who now thinks i am not competent enough to discuss spiritual matters with the kids, thinks that i could really benefit from discussing matters of the bible with this nasa engineer who attends meetings at her kingdom hall.

  apparently, he is quite knowledgeable in the bible and has a good grasp of their doctrines.

  at least according to her as i never actually spoken with the man at length but i do know that he is an elder.

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  neverendingjourney

  What is with so many NASA engineers joined up with this cult?

  Not to get too off topic here, but a NASA engineer once tried to get my brother to join Amway, which is something of a business/financial cult. The young man was convinced he'd be a millionaire "soon." My brother was eventually put off by the similarities between Amway and the JWs and decided to cut his involvement in Amway short.

  It could be a coincidence, but maybe you're onto something.
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  Sadly inevitable...JWs glad that Robin Williams died on "this side" of Armageddon

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  thread is here:.

  http://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/16494-robin-williams-found-dead/.

  a few quotes:.

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  neverendingjourney

  What's the official stance on this, by the way? When I was in it was hard to figure out. It seemed to change with whether the Sodomites (the biblical ones) would be resurrected or not. I tried, but I don't beleive I ever found a definitive statement on whether dying before the Big A gets one an automatic resurrection. If so, suicide would seem like a great option.
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  You should meet Brother Smart Engineer

  by garyneal in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my wife, who now thinks i am not competent enough to discuss spiritual matters with the kids, thinks that i could really benefit from discussing matters of the bible with this nasa engineer who attends meetings at her kingdom hall.

  apparently, he is quite knowledgeable in the bible and has a good grasp of their doctrines.

  at least according to her as i never actually spoken with the man at length but i do know that he is an elder.

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  neverendingjourney

  Are you in the Houston area? I know a NASA engineer who's a JW. In fact, he married my ex-girlfriend.
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  If you thought Tony Moris the Third was extreme, wait till you hear this other GB member!

  by Island Man in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqzc2m8_mba&list=uus0vqkpnsxult0gsz6ahpta.

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  neverendingjourney

  I don't know how high up in the religion he was back in '71, but he may have suffered from a condition I began to notice as I was waking up. Men in positions of authority, usually the CO level or higher, were given great deference by the rank and file such that if a CO said this or that it was taken as truth with no need for independent verification.

  The CO assigned to our congregation when I stopped going to meetings would occasionally quote bogus stats or incorrectly say that science had proven something or another. I was incredulous yet I would look around and all I'd see where nodding heads.

  The fact that Herd says "scientists have proven" that women have smaller brains suggest he had fallen into that mold. Since the rank and file doesn’t ask questions he lazily resorted to making shit up. I hope he got wiser as the years passed but I wouldn't count on it.
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  The boiling frog

  by wolfman85 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the boiling frog story is a widespread anecdote describing a frog slowly being boiled alive.

  the premise is that if a frog is placed in boiling water, it will jump out, but if it is placed in cold water that is slowly heated, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death.

  the story is often used as a metaphor for the inability or unwillingness of people to react to significant changes that occur gradually.

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  neverendingjourney

  True story: There was an elder in our hall who used the boiling frog metaphor as an illustration during a public talk.

  To his credit, the elder clarified that it wasn't an original illustration he had come up with. Rather, a CO had come up with it and the elder simply borrowed it from the CO's talk.

  In hindsight, the ignorance of the average JW is startling.