Posts by PhilsWager2

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Are JW's inflating their numbers?

by thedepressedsoul in

it can be anywhere from 5 to 15 minutes!

as long as you've had a literature discussion three times, you can start counting it as a study.

first, they say you can now count only 15 minutes a month.

PhilsWager2

In MLMs you never focus on growth being negative, using "slanted charts" left sided or right your allowed to fake people out without asking questions. Nobody like's a loser, that's why the Watchtower must inflate growth for if they don't, publishers would start to do less. Here's some examples:

The Watchtower claims we have growth in hours to 9.3 per Publisher per month each year. The mental set of each JW desiring personal notice target's 9.3+ and if they hit 10 hours their ahead of the National Average and .4 Bible Studies, 13 RVs.

2. The Watchtower come's out with the real numbers, people are only spending 5 hours preaching(after you back out all useless work, drinking the $5 or $6 mocha's from Starbucks while doing nothing). How would that effect everyone's personal target for Field Service? The true numbers come in at .1 Bible studies:

1 Bible Study to 10 JW Publishers

2 Return Visits instead of inflating the same person over and over, we witnesses people going to the same person 2 or 3 times in one day looking for a person they heard took a tract.

The new target is now lowered to 5 hours in Field Service, "not worrying about Bible Studies since only 1 out of 10 JWs have one" and RVs are reduced to a more honest 2 or 3 because the truth is most JWs don't have true RVs, their counting people have not told them "Get out of here, I have no interest in talking with you" as "Potential foot soldiers of business". If you present the truth to a "numbers based organization" with downward revised projections, everyone gets depressed and nobody wants to work!

You always go high when reporting numbers with MLM schemes or Pyramid Business structures. If you read this link, here's a part of two great articles:

Used of cults, "brainwashing" or "mind control" refers to the unethical use of persuasion methods with the aim of recruiting people into joining or remaining involved with a group, movement, or cause.

Definition of 'brainwashing':

[T]ranslation of a Chinese term indicating "a forcible indoctrination to induce someone to give up basic political, social, or religious beliefs and attitudes and to accept contrasting regimented ideas."
- Source: Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary

Also referred to as Mind Control. Sociologists, cult experts and others are sharply divided on this contentious issue. Some see brainwashing as a plausible explanation of why people join and remain in cults. Others call it "junk science.

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/5934-brainwashing-and-mind-control-in-religious-cults-and-elsewhere

"There are two taboo terms in the world of multi-level marketing (MLM). One is “pyramid scheme”. The other, which is even more vehemently denied, is “cult”. Many people understand cults to be dangerous restrictions on freedom and individuality. The most infamous cults have been known for violence, mass suicides or abusive and sometimes insane behavior of cult leaders. Pyramid schemes, similarly, are understood by many people to be dangerous frauds, cons, and flim-flams with notorious figures like Charles Ponzi and Bernie Madoff.

But the defining characteristics and the practical realities of both pyramid schemes and cults, especially when they don’t display flagrant hallmarks, are not known or understood by many people. This lack of a clear definition of cults and pyramids and the public’s lack of understanding of how they operate are contributing factors for why millions of people fall victim to these traps. The result is that millions of people suffer losses of time, money, personal freedom, family relationships and, often, psychological stability. Pyramids and cults can, and often do, lead to divorce, alienation, financial ruin, and even, in rare cases, suicides among people who become involved...."

http://www.falseprofits.com/files/1a752febbefe73223e22a28e5e5e5106-35.html

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What's the Worst Gossip You Heard About Why You were DF'ed, Faded or Left and Never Came Back? They say "I am gay!"

by PhilsWager2 in

your going to enjoy the latest rumor i heard why i have not been to meeting for around nine months, i am a homosexual!

i was caught having a drink at one of the gay bars for business, yes people still talk business in bars.

revelation 17:4).and murderers, and fornicators (cf.

PhilsWager2

Your going to enjoy the latest rumor I heard why I have not been to meeting for around nine months, I am a homosexual! I was caught having a drink at one of the Gay Bars for business, yes people still talk business in bars. A JW saw me come out of the bar giving the client a handshake and you know how some gay people are so kind and affectionate, he hugged me and I hugged him back.

The reason I left my wife is because I am gay, that's what one of my life long loyal friends told me. The gossip mill is fast, in less than a month I went from "adultery" to "homosexual" all because I won't have a meeting with the Elders and avoid most JWs because they spread wicked stories like mine. These people are trying to murder my character and keep lying, how do they expect God to forgive them while actively hurting people who are avoiding them without making any trouble? Why do they hunt us down, why can't they leave us move along with their lives and let us live in peace? Why do they hate us, what did we do to incur so much personal and Kingdom Hall wide wrath and hate? These are the very same people we spent hours comforting on the phone, helping them with problems and advice for free. What would happen if their lies cause someone to go Postal, if only they would stop their lying!

As for you all, how are they describing you, what's your latest label by the most loving organization of Jehovah's true followers? Look's like their not reading the Bible and applying it in their life, if they did, Revelation 21 say's their going to be thrown in the "Lake of Fire" for being liars!

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New International Version
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

New Living Translation
"But cowards, unbelievers, the corrupt, murderers, the immoral, those who practice witchcraft, idol worshipers, and all liars--their fate is in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

English Standard Version
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

New American Standard Bible
"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

King James Bible
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
But the cowards, unbelievers, vile, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars--their share will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."

International Standard Version
But people who are cowardly, unfaithful, detestable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars will find themselves in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death."

NET Bible
But to the cowards, unbelievers, detestable persons, murderers, the sexually immoral, and those who practice magic spells, idol worshipers, and all those who lie, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. That is the second death."

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“But to the timid, the unbelievers, the evil, the defiled, murderers, sorcerers, fornicators, idol worshipers and all liars: their part is in the burning Lake of Fire and Brimstone, which is the second death.”

GOD'S WORD® Translation
But cowardly, unfaithful, and detestable people, murderers, sexual sinners, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars will find themselves in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

Jubilee Bible 2000
But the fearful and unbelieving and the abominable and murderers and fornicators and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

King James 2000 Bible
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

American King James Version
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

American Standard Version
But for the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their part'shall be in the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

Douay-Rheims Bible
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, they shall have their portion in the pool burning with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

Darby Bible Translation
But to the fearful and unbelieving, [and sinners], and those who make themselves abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their part [is] in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

English Revised Version
But for the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their part shall be in the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

Webster's Bible Translation
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and lewd men, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Weymouth New Testament
But as for cowards and the unfaithful, and the polluted, and murderers, fornicators, and those who practise magic or worship idols, and all liars--the portion allotted to them shall be in the Lake which burns with fire and sulphur. This is the Second Death."

World English Bible
But for the cowardly, unbelieving, sinners, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their part is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."

Young's Literal Translation
and to fearful, and unstedfast, and abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the liars, their part is in the lake that is burning with fire and brimstone, which is a second death.'

Parallel Commentaries

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

21:1-8 The new heaven and the new earth will not be separate from each other; the earth of the saints, their glorified, bodies, will be heavenly. The old world, with all its troubles and tumults, will have passed away. There will be no sea; this aptly represents freedom from conflicting passions, temptations, troubles, changes, and alarms; from whatever can divide or interrupt the communion of saints. This new Jerusalem is the church of God in its new and perfect state, the church triumphant. Its blessedness came wholly from God, and depends on him. The presence of God with his people in heaven, will not be interrupt as it is on earth, he will dwell with them continually. All effects of former trouble shall be done away. They have often been in tears, by reason of sin, of affliction, of the calamities of the church; but no signs, no remembrance of former sorrows shall remain. Christ makes all things new. If we are willing and desirous that the gracious Redeemer should make all things new in order hearts and nature, he will make all things new in respect of our situation, till he has brought us to enjoy complete happiness. See the certainty of the promise. God gives his titles, Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, as a pledge for the full performance. Sensual and sinful pleasures are muddy and poisoned waters; and the best earthly comforts are like the scanty supplies of a cistern; when idolized, they become broken cisterns, and yield only vexation. But the joys which Christ imparts are like waters springing from a fountain, pure, refreshing, abundant, and eternal. The sanctifying consolations of the Holy Spirit prepare for heavenly happiness; they are streams which flow for us in the wilderness. The fearful durst not meet the difficulties of religion, their slavish fear came from their unbelief; but those who were so dastardly as not to dare to take up the cross of Christ, were yet so desperate as to run into abominable wickedness. The agonies and terrors of the first death will lead to the far greater terrors and agonies of eternal death.

Pulpit Commentary

Verse 8. - But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death; but for the fearful, etc. The construction is changed in the middle of the verse. The fearful are those who, through cowardice, have not overcome (cf. ver. 7).Abominable; those defiled with abominations (cf. Revelation 17:4).And murderers, and fornicators (cf. Revelation 14:4; Revelation 17:1, 2). And sorcerers (cf. Revelation 9:21; Revelation 18:23); those who deceived the heathen. And idolaters; the heathen who were deceived by them. All liars; all who are false in any way.Their part is in the lake, etc. (see on Revelation 20:10). These took no part in the first, spiritual, resurrection (Revelation 20:6); they now, therefore, inherit "the second death."

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

But the fearful,.... Not the timorous sheep and lambs of Christ, the dear children of God, who are sometimes of a fearful heart, on account of sin, temptation, and unbelief; but such who are of cowardly spirits, and are not valiant for the truth, but who, through fear of men, either make no profession of Christ and his Gospel, or having made it, drop it, lest they should be exposed to tribulation and persecution; these are they that are afraid of the beast, and live in servile bondage to him.

And unbelieving; meaning not merely atheists, who do not believe there is a God, or deists only, that do not believe in Christ; but such who profess his name, and are called by it, and yet do not truly believe in him, nor embrace his Gospel and the truths of it, but believe a lie; these are condemned already, and on them the wrath of God abides, and they will be damned at last; though it may have a regard to such also who are infidels as to the second coming of Christ to judgment, and who are scoffers and mockers at it:

and the abominable: every sinful man is so in the sight of God; but here it denotes such who are the worst of sinners, given up to sinning; who are abominable, and to every good work reprobate; who are addicted to the worst of crimes, as were the Sodomites and others; the Ethiopic version renders it, "who pollute themselves" with unnatural lusts. The Syriac and Arabic versions express it by two words, "sinners and polluted", filthy sinners; the character well agrees with Babylon, the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth, and to all that adhere to her, and join with her in her abominable idolatries.

And murderers; of the saints, and prophets, and martyrs of Jesus, with whose blood Babylon, or the whore of Rome, has made herself drunk, and in whom it will be found.

And whoremongers; all unclean persons, that indulge themselves in impure lusts, in fornication, adultery, and all lewdness; as the clergy of the church of Rome, who being forbidden to marry, and being under a vow of celibacy, and making great pretensions to chastity and singular holiness, give up themselves to all lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

And sorcerers; conjurers, dealers with familiar spirits, necromancers, and such as use the magic art, as many of the popes did to get into the chair, and poisoners of kings and princes; whoredoms and witchcrafts go together sometimes, as they did in Jezebel, an emblem of the Romish antichrist.

And idolaters; that worship devils, idols of gold, silver, brass, stone, and wood, representing God, and Christ, and the virgin Mary, and saints departed, Revelation 9:20.

And all liars; in common, and particularly such who speak lies in hypocrisy, as the followers of the man of sin, and who are given up to believe a lie, that they might be damned; all lies being of the devil, and abominable to God. All and each of these

shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone. The Jews (a) speak of several distinct places in hell, for several sorts of sinners, as particularly for sabbath breakers, adulterers, and liars; and say of the wicked, that when he is condemned he shall take "his part" in hell (b); See Gill onRevelation 19:20.

which is the second death; See Gill on Revelation 2:11.

(a) Raya Mehimna in Zohar in Lev. fol. 7. 2.((b) T. Bab. Chagiga, fol. 15. 1.

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary

8. the fearful—Greek, "the cowardly," who do not quit themselves like men so as to "overcome" in the good fight; who have the spirit of slavish "fear," not love, towards God; and who through fear of man are not bold for God, or "draw back." Compare Re 21:27; 22:15.

unbelieving—Greek, "faithless."

abominable—who have drank of the harlot's "cup of abominations."

sorcerers—one of the characteristics of Antichrist's time.

all liars—Greek, "all the liars": or else "all who are liars"; compare 1Ti 4:1, 2, where similarly lying and dealings with spirits and demons, are joined together as features of "the latter times."

second death—Re 20:14: "everlasting destruction," 2Th 1:9; Mr 9:44, 46, 48, "Where THEIR worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."

Revelation 21:8 Additional Commentaries

Context

A New Heaven and a New Earth
…7"He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son. 8"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

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I have been blocked!!!

by username in

as the title eludes, i have been blocked from a website, the cheek of it.

what site you may ask?

i was blocked from a active jwforum, i haven't even posted any comments yet haha!

PhilsWager2

Can't you use "Hola" Google's IP blocker and add go "incognito" or can Website Admin's still catch us? I forget how people go from site to site, one of the members here was blocked on that site, was it Ray Publisher? He would know how to get in the site without getting labeled "The Apostate of apostates!". Ask him, don't see him comment here much, miss his great posts and comments, he probably grabbed life by the neck instead of vice-versa, good to see happy things happen to our best forum members! Cheer's to Ray!

I agree with Morpheus on his assessment too, I feel like Mr. C is trying to become a star of our raising of awareness to help disentangle publishers from the mind control. Still I admit Mr. C is doing one hell of a job getting to the roots of the Watchtower's "Tree of Zombie Life", thank you Mr. C for all your work and site as well. Nobody's going to match my admiration for Simon, he's so dam smart along with DJS and others here that post amazing material, I wish they cataloged all the posts men and women like Simon, Ray, Billy-Ex, Morp, Blondie, Flipper, Outlaw, Searcher, Bobcat, Talespin ect... You get my drift, if someone sorted through all the posts we could have our own version of "Proclaimers of the truth about the Truth!" book. Thank you all for making life fun and helping, being there when JWs shun us in person or online, thank you!

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Does it take Bible Study and Researching Watchtower Materials to become a Expert in JW Religion? Here's why I say No!

by PhilsWager2 in

i was sent a link by someone wanting me to review a elder's wife's posts where she has all kinds of likes on topics shes never shown any interest throughout life.

she was one of the stupidest jws when it came to all the subjects most of you have a very good feel for.

when i would ask deeper questions, in her nasty voice "boring, that's boring" speaking about the tetragrammaton, trinity, cross-stake debate, born-again and every topic that was beyond watching a caleb and sophie video.. what's creepy about this person is they don't have any jehovah witness friends to speak of, i talked with a few attending her hall and they think she's cracked.

PhilsWager2

Allow me to put this in terms without all the filler words. There's a JW Elderette whose profile pretends to be a Watchtower Apologist while there's no way in Sheol she could debate even our most gentle member here. Why do people pretend they put in time studying the Bible when they don't know anything about it?

How come our religion brings out so many fakes who don't study any of their material, running the microphone you saw often those who studied a lot did not brag like the brothers who did not have any highlighting marks! In house remarks 'people don't appreciate the lifesaving works of the faithful slave make's no sense if nobody's taking these words seriously. don't attack others you think did not study because your a hypocrite who messes with the weak ones just to make yourself feel good.

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JW Who Joined the Church of Satan, Allister Crowley, Anton Lefve's movement after leaving JW? Why, why mess with Darkness?

by PhilsWager2 in

this is going to trip you out, after talking with a jw friend who left the org and has great rage against god he's turning to satan.

he lives with his jw brother and decided host gathering for people interesting in worshiping the devil.

how will this outcome work with holy people claiming to be jws seeing some guys and girls dressed in dark robes?

PhilsWager2

I hope this is only a passing theme of his life, you lose your wife and than your little girl and soon it's easy asking yourself "How come I played by the rules and worshiped God the best way I could,, only to have the kingdom Hall members not help during all his painful trials and feel a hollow void inside my heart and soul.

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Is 2034 the ultimate Watchtower date?

by cultswatter in

a recent wacktower had hinted that the year 2034 would be the final date for armaggedon.

if armageddon has not arrived by 2035 then will the wts close shop for good or will they simply accuse the past presidents of apostacy and regroup to form another daughter of the tower offshoot baseless religion?.

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PhilsWager2

Look up the Watchtower in the last fifteen years and your going to see the Watchtower allowed Newton's End Dates to get published in their Watchtower (Hint-hint). Don't let someone allow us to take the blame like they did in 1914-1975, each Assembly and circuit overseer was speaking about Newton's date from the Watchtower this Century, so get your facts straight!

I don't have access to that article, if you want to post it that would be nice "Newton and End Time Dates".

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JW Who Joined the Church of Satan, Allister Crowley, Anton Lefve's movement after leaving JW? Why, why mess with Darkness?

by PhilsWager2 in

this is going to trip you out, after talking with a jw friend who left the org and has great rage against god he's turning to satan.

he lives with his jw brother and decided host gathering for people interesting in worshiping the devil.

how will this outcome work with holy people claiming to be jws seeing some guys and girls dressed in dark robes?

PhilsWager2

This is going to trip you out, after talking with a JW friend who left the Org and has great rage against God he's turning to Satan. He lives with his JW brother and decided host gathering for people interesting in worshiping the Devil. How will this outcome work with holy people claiming to be JWs seeing some guys and girls dressed in dark robes? I would freak out, he's really gone of the deep after losing his daughter to cancer. What advice have you got for someone wanting to take out his hatred against God for losing his child? I can already see his JW Elder freaking out when he finish his goat sacrifice demon alters, he had photos on his iPhone. Honestly people, he's gone nuts!

I am worried he's going to get possessed by the Devil or demons, others who don't believe might laugh but why mess with the Dark Forces just because you livid?

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Is 2034 the ultimate Watchtower date?

by cultswatter in

a recent wacktower had hinted that the year 2034 would be the final date for armaggedon.

if armageddon has not arrived by 2035 then will the wts close shop for good or will they simply accuse the past presidents of apostacy and regroup to form another daughter of the tower offshoot baseless religion?.

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PhilsWager2

I remember around the turn of the Century and right before the "Twisted Overlapping Generation" teaching was introduced they were doing some kind of partial book-review on Sir Isaac Newton's prophecy using Daniel's book. Is the date your using from Isaac Newton's book? There was a group of weirdos around here that are gluttons for punishment, they said "The anointed brothers we know said the End won't come until 2024, this was back around 1997-1999 time frame. Who are all these people pulling dates out of their behinds because even Jesus Christ said "Not even the Son knows that day or hour!". This implies he did not even know the Year, he left that up for the people who pushed him out of Heaven and took his spot as "The Name above all other names that you must bow to "The Governing Body"(Philippians 2)>

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Does it take Bible Study and Researching Watchtower Materials to become a Expert in JW Religion? Here's why I say No!

by PhilsWager2 in

i was sent a link by someone wanting me to review a elder's wife's posts where she has all kinds of likes on topics shes never shown any interest throughout life.

she was one of the stupidest jws when it came to all the subjects most of you have a very good feel for.

when i would ask deeper questions, in her nasty voice "boring, that's boring" speaking about the tetragrammaton, trinity, cross-stake debate, born-again and every topic that was beyond watching a caleb and sophie video.. what's creepy about this person is they don't have any jehovah witness friends to speak of, i talked with a few attending her hall and they think she's cracked.

PhilsWager2

I was sent a link by someone wanting me to review a elder's wife's posts where she has all kinds of likes on topics shes never shown any interest throughout life. She was one of the stupidest JWs when it came to all the subjects most of you have a very good feel for. When I would ask deeper questions, in her nasty voice "Boring, that's boring" speaking about the Tetragrammaton, Trinity, Cross-Stake debate, Born-Again and every topic that was beyond watching a Caleb and Sophie Video.

What's creepy about this person is they don't have any Jehovah Witness friends to speak of, I talked with a few attending her Hall and they think she's cracked. The only friends she's got are two people most JWs are afraid of because he has a "Cho-Mo Letter" following him around. Why do people pretend on Facebook and other online sites to care to post their scholarly JWs when they don't know what's written. Applied Christianity does not exists, in many JW Kingdom Halls you never hear the word Christian, seldom does Jesus Christ's name get spoken of. Why is it the word "Organization" not found in the Bible get's 10x to 30x mentioned per 1x of Jesus Christ's name?

Are Jehovah's Witnesses are explained by the Watchtower Society Christian or they some other religion? Seeing this woman's "likes" and "dislikes" on topics mentioning Jehovah made me sick because their qualities are those of the anti-Christ, not Jesus Christ! People like this fullfill the skeptics who preach "Don't tell me your a Christian, let me guess it!" or "I like Jesus, I do not like Christians!" ect... Their condemned by their actions, what type of reward is in store for those who enjoy stumbling out of the Kingdom Hall all the "little ones"?

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Armageddon in 1975 'probability' or 'possibility'? Irrefutable Proof the Watchtower Said 1975 Was "Game Over!"

by PhilsWager2 in

it's hard to know where to put this link to a polish book some of you older members probably read, while our newer members are seeking answers to questions the watchtower vehemently deny's!

do i put this under "jw scandals" or "jw beliefs"?

for decades without the internet many of us did not have access to all the publications written by early watchtower writers because access was hard, only men like raymond franz jr(god rest his brave soul) had the golden key for entering the library of all publications jws made.. can some of the older members remember people who sold their homes and others who bought things in the summer or fall of 1974 knowing they won't be paying for their purchases because jehovah will destroy all the creditors records when he kills them!

PhilsWager2

JW Facts might have a bunch of this PDF, check them out and see if you think there is something wrong with it. I did not download any of it, all I did was click on the pages I wanted to read and saw how the Watchtower Leaders did say that 1975 was going to be the End and the 20th Century would not end without seeing the Return of Christ. The Watchtower changed wording in their books, deleted parts of their CDs to remove parts that say "The Preaching Work will end before the 20th Century ends!"

Now they lie and say they never said anything, it was their Rank-and-File, not them, they had nothing to do with the rank-and-files insanity!