Posts by erandir

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Agression @ latest Broadcasting

by Gorbatchov in

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what i don’t get, is the agression seen in the latest, september broadcasting.. if something is not usefull here at g.’s home, we look if it can be used for an other purpose or store it or put it away in a trash bin.

that’s what we learn our children.. it seems that for jw.org officials it is practice to get very angry and smash items on the floor.

somehow the real face of brotherhood is showed here.

erandir

This is my first post in a while...bear with me.

I don't understand. I don't think he looked angry at all when "smashing" the malformed glass on the floor. (Londo, I think he's not used to the physical exertion, so that is why the facial expression...lol) Also, I don't think they actually smashed the glass. Just tossed it down into a cushioned box and had the sound effects department mix a breaking-glass sound in (a simple trick, really). I don't imagine they want a mess like that to clean up or to create an unsafe working condition with all that broken glass everywhere. But that's just my point of view. I've been free of the organization for about 14 years now, so I feel practically like an outsider now. But viewing this video for the first time after reading most of the above thread, I really don't see what aggression or anger there is in that scene at 21:10. I get what y'all are saying, though. However, I don't see how anyone still trapped in the troof is going to see your point of view, though.

By the way, when did the halls install ginormous tv screens and start up these "broadcasts" thingies? I was driving past our local hall yesterday and happened to see a congregation watching a tv screen, and I was all like "what the...? they have screens? really?" Ironically, I was driving home from an evening class...otherwise known as "higher education" precisely what was being talked about...paid for by my workplace. ha. But anyway, trying to get an answer to that question about when did they start putting screens in the halls was why I logged into j-w.com after so long.

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The UN Files - Print Out And Keep For Your Next JW Visitor

by pale.emperor in

i've been researching the wt and the un involvement.

when i was still in and i first seen the un letter online, my cognitive dissonance kicked and i told myself it'll be a fake.

an apostate lie.. and seeing as no jw i've spoken to has ever heard of it, and flatly deny any involvement "no, they wouldn't do that", i decided to do a little "personal study" of my own.

erandir

Thank you for putting this excellent summary together. I hope it leads to many people escaping from the WTBS.

This UN issue is what got me to start questioning the Society over 10 years ago...and that led to me fading and not going back.

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BOE 2014-11-06 Procedures when legal issues are involved

by wifibandit in

full set: http://imgur.com/a/z4k2t.

sample:.

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erandir

I have 2 comments and a question:

According to what I have studied and learned from their publications and meetings "nonneutral behavior" refers to taking sides in political issues such as voting, being involved with political action committees, protests, being part of the military, or even participating in a city council meeting . To the "society," voting is taking a side and "choosing" one candidate over another instead of "not being a part of the world".

They are hiding behind the term nonneutral to disguise that they are anti-military, anti-establishment, anti-democracy, anti-patriotic.

And the question is: By becoming an NGO member of the UN to get library card priveleges, did the Governing Body disassociate itself?

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Surprise ! Surprise ! 2015 Arrives and NO Armageddon or World's " End " - Go Figure

by flipper in

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i guess 99.9 % of ex-jw's here could have predicted as much .

armageddon didn't happen in 1914. it didn't happen in 1925. it didn't happen in 1975. and it did not happen in 2014. since the wt society first predicted a world's end when their organization started in 1879 - 126 years have passed which according to any dictionary in any human language 126 years comprises of 4 separate generations each totaling 30 years each.

plus 6 years into a 5th generation.

erandir

What amazes me most about 'life time dubs' is their almost unanimous unwillingness to even broach the subject of the failure---no big A. It's as if they are afraid to speak about their deep disappointment. Because they are afraid. I know from my own experience that there exists much bitterness toward the wtbts for it's convoluted bs that must be accepted as "troof." or else. Geez we were stupid! Well at least we have awakened and are free at last.
Happy new year to all and a very prosperous rest of your life!
just saying!
eyeuse2badub

It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown! Never doubt it, never question it, or he just won't show up no matter how long you waited faithfully.

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DNA memory

by poopsiecakes in

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has anyone here ever researched or thought about dna memory?

there's a lot of weird, esoteric stuff out there concerning this, like you can somehow access your ancestors' memories.

that's not really what i'm talking about - to me, that sounds a little too fanciful.dna is a relatively recent discovery and obviously, there's still a lot to learn.

erandir

I've often wondered what mechanism explains instinct, which is a kind of genetic memory, in animals, including humans.

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What products have you bought that exceed your expectations?

by skeeter1 in

well?.

erandir

I love my Samsung Galaxy 3 tablet, my Dewalt saber saw, and my Black and Decker cordless screw gun...all items that have seriously out-performed my expectations...and my expectations are usually pretty high for stuff I buy. :)

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YOU 'THINK' YOU ARE FREE when you leave the Org. . . but it can be an ILLUSION

by Terry in

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did you know there is nothing more insane than being partly indoctrinated and partly free?.

the level of cognitive dissonance is ridiculous!.

i have told this story before, so i'll shorten it to cut to the chase.. in 1987, i was dating a professional psychotherapist with a view to marriage.

erandir

When at last you recognise Watchtower Truth as fiction you are really only at a crossroads, though you might not fully appreciate it. You've only cut through a small portion of the religious bullshit that clutters your brain. The residual debilitating debris of faith remains. Terry's faux pas a wonderful example of it insidiously working its way into your reality. I broke free in 1976 while still a bible student but continued to pray to Jehovah for almost three decades. I know about cognitive dissonance. I experienced it for a long time. The realisation that Yahweh is a fiction set me free to create a different, more satisfying fiction in which to live.

We're all living our own personal fictions, what we tell ourselves to believe.

So true...if I may share a personal history: I was at a crossroads when I started studying the Bible with a young Witness couple back in 1998. I remember feeling at the time that I was on the verge of becoming an athiest or at least full-fledged agnostic. There was so much hypocrisy happening at each of the churches I had attended in the past. But I thought I'd give religion one more shot, and the bible study was beginning to make so much sense.... I became a baptized witness eventuallly, but that only lasted about 5 years when I saw the same pattern of hypocrisy and double-standards, and I left.

In the past, I've found myself in situations where the subject of the bible came up, and I was spouting off highly detailed "knowledge" of bible trivia, and not realizing what impression I was leaving my listeners. Now I preface any bible "knowledge" I'm about to impart with a forewarning that I used to be a Witness, etc. I mostly keep that kind of stuff to myself now.

As a way of coping, I guess, I classify all that knowledge as being no different than my knowledge of other fantasy worlds such as Star Wars, Star Trek, Tolkien's Middle-Earth. I happen to be a huge fan those three fantasy worlds, so why not add the Bible world to that?

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Did you AWAKEN from the JWs by yourself?

by cultBgone in

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i was thinking about how so many posters here on jwn are frustrated and frantic to help their loved ones get away from the brainwashing of jws, and how much advice is given about how to help family members and loved ones.

i considered my own leaving and that it was internal turmoil based on the teachings getting weirder and child abuse issues, to name just a few, and it made me wonder:.

did you self-awaken or were you assisted by the gentle proddings of a friend or family member?

erandir

baptized in 2000...stopped going to meetings around 2005ish...the NGO "scandal" was the tipping point for me. but mostly I got tired of the hypocrisy and bullying of one of our prominent elders. so it was mostly a self-awakening.

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What I Learned from Bro Lett's DC Talk

by Rohag in

what i learned/derived from steven lett's dc talk (thanks again, ynot, for providing access to the .mp3 files!).

brother lett - or the committee that produced the talk - really loves food metaphors.well-dressed people, especially children, produce a good witness.if you're an apostate, chances are bad conduct/secret sin/moral depravity made you that way.

apostasy is usually founded on sin and rarely on conviction.the bible is an insufficient - or overly cumbersome - guide to godly conduct.

erandir

Sorry, I meant to word my post this way:

If you're an apostate, chances are bad conduct/secret sin/moral depravity made you that way. Apostasy is usually founded on sin and rarely on conviction.

This is totally true! I'm an apostate because of the bad conduct/secret sin/moral depravity of a few witnesses I knew...one was my book study conductor, another was a whole family of witnesses I used to work for, and others were witnesses I associated with. My apostacy was founded on their sin.

That "rarely on conviction" things is a lie, though. I'm an apostate on moral grounds. My conviction is that I do not want to tolerate the hypocrisy of the organization.

Hope that clears things up. I was half asleep when I wrote this post the first time.

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What I Learned from Bro Lett's DC Talk

by Rohag in

what i learned/derived from steven lett's dc talk (thanks again, ynot, for providing access to the .mp3 files!).

brother lett - or the committee that produced the talk - really loves food metaphors.well-dressed people, especially children, produce a good witness.if you're an apostate, chances are bad conduct/secret sin/moral depravity made you that way.

apostasy is usually founded on sin and rarely on conviction.the bible is an insufficient - or overly cumbersome - guide to godly conduct.

erandir

If you're an apostate, chances are bad conduct/secret sin/moral depravity made you that way. Apostasy is usually founded on sin and rarely on conviction.

This is totally true! The bad conduct/secret sin/moral depravity of a few witnesses I knew...one was my book study conductor, another was a whole family I used to work for, and others were people I associated with.