Posts by humbled

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Are there any instances of "GOD" order and/or condoning the rape of women in the bible?

by Black Man in

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this came up recently with my dyed-in-the-wool jw pioneer mother, who swears up and down that there are no scriptural instances of this happening.

i seem to remember a couple passages, but can't remember where they were..

humbled

“I have real rabbi work to do.”—Rabbi Midge

This thread isn’t about Judaism or college. It asked if there were instances where God ordered the rape of women. People on the forum cited a lot of scriptures (God’s Word, so they say). Those scriptures were/are misogynistic and there are more than those that portray women as inferior.

Jews and Christians have for hundreds of years perpetuated bad attitudes toward women based on those scriptures. Men of high education have used those scriptures.

I said most ex-JWs didn’t need a professor or a rabbi to figure out that these scriptures were no good. You talked down to these people. l didn’t find a generous spirit in your comments.

You are not entirely honest about the residual imbalance in the traditional divorce process among Jews.

I am out of this . Try to grow your heart as well as your mind. But here, enjoy getting in the last word, Rabbi Midge:

“Get your facts straight. If you going to run with the big educated dogs, you had better be ready to keep up with them. Otherwise stay on the porch.
And yes, that's from a rabbi. We ain't sissy Christian preachers or sweet nuns. This thread is not about you, and nobody cares about your feelings, honey. Get your facts straight or get an education or get out of the way.”

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Are there any instances of "GOD" order and/or condoning the rape of women in the bible?

by Black Man in

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friends

this came up recently with my dyed-in-the-wool jw pioneer mother, who swears up and down that there are no scriptural instances of this happening.

i seem to remember a couple passages, but can't remember where they were..

humbled

College, midge. My daughters went to college. They are working in places where college has value. You do not know where l live. The troubles that are overwhelming my community, the well educated are not willing to help lift “ not even with their little finger”

l am not referring to welfare.

You might say to me “you don’t know what you don’t know”.

And l say the same to you.

College would be wonderful...who doesn’t need it? But for the work that l am doing??? And You are a Rabbi? You think a fine distinction between the Catholic and Jewish tradition in liturgy matters in my world? Please.

But you are condescending to persist in this admonition for me to go to college -NOW-when you don’t know anything about me. You can declare how right your view is.. that college will set me on a good road. This might even sound like wisdom.

Do I will say this: The world should go to college.

I believe that. I do. With all my heart.

But there is this problem-hearts are not always made better by college. Not that that is the mission of higher education in the first place. No, there is a deeper need where l work.

For now,I struggle for a world of better hearts than of better minds. A world of better hearts will soon be a world of better minds. The JW world worked for neither of these things .

Jewish people place a high value on education and that is fine. So do l. Leave off carping on me about college.

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Connect the dots: Cut the baby in half

by OrphanCrow in

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*thanks to bubba on reddit for the heads up this uplifting children's activity.

what is the purpose of this activity?

what is the message?

humbled

Telling these stories to children as though they were normal histories of faith in God prepares them for abuse and mind manipulation. Normalizing extreme and murderous behavior to illustrate God’s “good” qualities and God‘s “wisdom” grooms children for vicious judgement and behavior-/both to receive it and to dole it out.

As time passes l forgive myself for my behavior, my gullibility. The indoctrination was deep and terrible—and it is in so many churches, so many religions.My Book of Bible Stories is s god porn—really extreme and sick. By the time l recognized how twisted this stuff was l had been a JW over 20 years. The killing and sadistic stories just didn’t work for me.

If there was a Jesus, l believe he had trouble with this shit too. Carpenters are generally free thinkers.

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Are there any instances of "GOD" order and/or condoning the rape of women in the bible?

by Black Man in

jw
friends

this came up recently with my dyed-in-the-wool jw pioneer mother, who swears up and down that there are no scriptural instances of this happening.

i seem to remember a couple passages, but can't remember where they were..

humbled

I did not grow up a witness. I value college for more than the parsing out of ancient patriarchal texts —while it may offer a profession for some has no binding moral value for me.

As a former Catholic I view the use of liturgy with suspicion—the more emotional impact it carries because of my childhood the more careful l am of its power to subvert. We learned the mass in Latin. Who cared to teach?

You are free to pursue academics. Someday I may go to college. It hasn’t been a possibility lately.

I am glad that some have been gracious towards you. For my part I cannot appreciate your condescending manner. I have met it all too often in my many years around religious teachers.

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Are there any instances of "GOD" order and/or condoning the rape of women in the bible?

by Black Man in

jw
friends

this came up recently with my dyed-in-the-wool jw pioneer mother, who swears up and down that there are no scriptural instances of this happening.

i seem to remember a couple passages, but can't remember where they were..

humbled

So, midge,you say all should go to professors to learn the relative values of the various scriptures. Because you said:

The fact that Jehovah’s Witnesses and ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses cannot tell the difference will cause them to see what is written in the Bible as the only thing that is binding, when in reality what is written in the Bible is mainly liturgical.

Right—a lot of us figured out that crap wasn’t binding —without a professor or rabbi telling us. As for the scriptures being mainly liturgical? Why do you even retain spurious texts for public worship ?

Conservative Jews give the man the freedom to easily divorce. Not so for the woman . How does that still bind ?

That’s all the time I got for this. I’m going to return to the unwashed uneducated masses who don’t have time for your foolishness. I don’t need anymore of this high-handed religious talk.

Do onto others as you would have them do unto you. Love your neighbor as yourself. I don’t need a preacher or a rabbi to tell me what that means

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If I were still of the anointed . . .

by compound complex in

greetings, earth-bound friends:.

i guess at this point in life, given what we all now know, we no longer harbor any delusions of grandeur.

my temporary insanity, which i've written about on other threads, was that assurance of being in heaven with jehovah and jesus and the other 143,999 kings and priests.

humbled

Haha!

Chook, Smiddy and Coco! I’m laughing!

O when we believed with all our hearts... what hopes we had...,

what delicious irreverence for the holy throne of Tony Morris .

l will sleep now grinning

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Favorite Quotations from Movies

by compound complex in

"the way you walked was thorny, through no fault of your own, but as the rain enters the soil, the river enters the sea, so tears run to a predestined end.

now you will have peace for eternity.

" -- maleva, the wolf man.

humbled

What about Bob? — “Gone? You think he’s gone ??? He’s NEVER gone!!”—Dr. Leo

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" It is the True Religion ! "

by Phizzy in

speaking to two jw's, separately and days apart, they both weaved in to the conversation the phrase " it is the true religion " .. now in neither case was it possible for me to do my usual thing, piling in with both guns blazing and pointing out that it is impossible for there to be any such thing as "the true religion", unless by "truth" you mean that which is true in your opinion and not supported by facts or reality etc etc.

my question is : is this mere coincidence, or has there been an article or something telling them to say this ?

if there is, could someone point me to it ?

humbled

Fink— “Are they in the Truth?”

My daughter always tells JWs who knock on her door that she is familiar with what they offer, that her mother had been in the Truth. That always makes them happy for a flash. Then she drily informs them “Don’t bother. Because I am in the “False”.”

She says they always leave right away.

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" It is the True Religion ! "

by Phizzy in

speaking to two jw's, separately and days apart, they both weaved in to the conversation the phrase " it is the true religion " .. now in neither case was it possible for me to do my usual thing, piling in with both guns blazing and pointing out that it is impossible for there to be any such thing as "the true religion", unless by "truth" you mean that which is true in your opinion and not supported by facts or reality etc etc.

my question is : is this mere coincidence, or has there been an article or something telling them to say this ?

if there is, could someone point me to it ?

humbled

I remember old light saying: “Religion is a racket and a snare!”

Does anyone else remember that? It was drummed into me when l was getting indoctrinated (1987-1988)that religion was bad but on the other hand l was learning the capital”T” Truth- not mere religion

Around 2007 the special manuscript talk that was read specially in the congregations delivered the idea that it was appropriate to refer to our beliefs as “true religion”

That stuck in my mind. It was a strange matter to mark in our brains.

anyone remember?

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If clergy are condemned to Gehenna what should be in store for COs ?

by Chook in

what lovely reward is waiting for our high priests of wt ?.

humbled

Tiki—so right

I never forget this stand-up CO, Will Gorham.

Sometimes I imagine that he has faded with his wife Bonnie. The only thing you can possibly do is disappear entirely if you are a CO and you wake up.

If you were out there Will and Bonnie, l wish you well.