Posts by humbled

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Are there any instances of "GOD" order and/or condoning the rape of women in the bible?

by Black Man in

jw
friends

this came up recently with my dyed-in-the-wool jw pioneer mother, who swears up and down that there are no scriptural instances of this happening.

i seem to remember a couple passages, but can't remember where they were..

humbled

I did not grow up a witness. I value college for more than the parsing out of ancient patriarchal texts —while it may offer a profession for some has no binding moral value for me.

As a former Catholic I view the use of liturgy with suspicion—the more emotional impact it carries because of my childhood the more careful l am of its power to subvert. We learned the mass in Latin. Who cared to teach?

You are free to pursue academics. Someday I may go to college. It hasn’t been a possibility lately.

I am glad that some have been gracious towards you. For my part I cannot appreciate your condescending manner. I have met it all too often in my many years around religious teachers.

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Are there any instances of "GOD" order and/or condoning the rape of women in the bible?

by Black Man in

jw
friends

this came up recently with my dyed-in-the-wool jw pioneer mother, who swears up and down that there are no scriptural instances of this happening.

i seem to remember a couple passages, but can't remember where they were..

humbled

So, midge,you say all should go to professors to learn the relative values of the various scriptures. Because you said:

The fact that Jehovah’s Witnesses and ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses cannot tell the difference will cause them to see what is written in the Bible as the only thing that is binding, when in reality what is written in the Bible is mainly liturgical.

Right—a lot of us figured out that crap wasn’t binding —without a professor or rabbi telling us. As for the scriptures being mainly liturgical? Why do you even retain spurious texts for public worship ?

Conservative Jews give the man the freedom to easily divorce. Not so for the woman . How does that still bind ?

That’s all the time I got for this. I’m going to return to the unwashed uneducated masses who don’t have time for your foolishness. I don’t need anymore of this high-handed religious talk.

Do onto others as you would have them do unto you. Love your neighbor as yourself. I don’t need a preacher or a rabbi to tell me what that means

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If I were still of the anointed . . .

by compound complex in

greetings, earth-bound friends:.

i guess at this point in life, given what we all now know, we no longer harbor any delusions of grandeur.

my temporary insanity, which i've written about on other threads, was that assurance of being in heaven with jehovah and jesus and the other 143,999 kings and priests.

humbled

Haha!

Chook, Smiddy and Coco! I’m laughing!

O when we believed with all our hearts... what hopes we had...,

what delicious irreverence for the holy throne of Tony Morris .

l will sleep now grinning

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Favorite Quotations from Movies

by compound complex in

"the way you walked was thorny, through no fault of your own, but as the rain enters the soil, the river enters the sea, so tears run to a predestined end.

now you will have peace for eternity.

" -- maleva, the wolf man.

humbled

What about Bob? — “Gone? You think he’s gone ??? He’s NEVER gone!!”—Dr. Leo

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" It is the True Religion ! "

by Phizzy in

speaking to two jw's, separately and days apart, they both weaved in to the conversation the phrase " it is the true religion " .. now in neither case was it possible for me to do my usual thing, piling in with both guns blazing and pointing out that it is impossible for there to be any such thing as "the true religion", unless by "truth" you mean that which is true in your opinion and not supported by facts or reality etc etc.

my question is : is this mere coincidence, or has there been an article or something telling them to say this ?

if there is, could someone point me to it ?

humbled

Fink— “Are they in the Truth?”

My daughter always tells JWs who knock on her door that she is familiar with what they offer, that her mother had been in the Truth. That always makes them happy for a flash. Then she drily informs them “Don’t bother. Because I am in the “False”.”

She says they always leave right away.

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" It is the True Religion ! "

by Phizzy in

speaking to two jw's, separately and days apart, they both weaved in to the conversation the phrase " it is the true religion " .. now in neither case was it possible for me to do my usual thing, piling in with both guns blazing and pointing out that it is impossible for there to be any such thing as "the true religion", unless by "truth" you mean that which is true in your opinion and not supported by facts or reality etc etc.

my question is : is this mere coincidence, or has there been an article or something telling them to say this ?

if there is, could someone point me to it ?

humbled

I remember old light saying: “Religion is a racket and a snare!”

Does anyone else remember that? It was drummed into me when l was getting indoctrinated (1987-1988)that religion was bad but on the other hand l was learning the capital”T” Truth- not mere religion

Around 2007 the special manuscript talk that was read specially in the congregations delivered the idea that it was appropriate to refer to our beliefs as “true religion”

That stuck in my mind. It was a strange matter to mark in our brains.

anyone remember?

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If clergy are condemned to Gehenna what should be in store for COs ?

by Chook in

what lovely reward is waiting for our high priests of wt ?.

humbled

Tiki—so right

I never forget this stand-up CO, Will Gorham.

Sometimes I imagine that he has faded with his wife Bonnie. The only thing you can possibly do is disappear entirely if you are a CO and you wake up.

If you were out there Will and Bonnie, l wish you well.

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Recent New Testament translation causing a stir

by careful in

sharp-witted and well-educated eastern orthodox philosopher and theologian david bentley hart, now a fellow at notre dame, has produced a nt translation (yale univ press 2017) that is causing a major stir.

one-man translations are pretty rare any more, but this one is making a real splash, largely because it does not surrender to the group/translation committee mentality.. .

even though it's been out only a few months, it's already been reviewed several times in well-known publications.

humbled

Careful-ha!

succubus and incubus —made for each other.

Pity they can’t make their nightmare together and leave us to what dreams we might have of our own.

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CO working at Walmart

by the girl next door in

it just took me by surprise.

i remember him from a decade or so ago.

he came up with gems like, “weddings are for women, they are not necessary.” also, “if you want to be truly happy, marry an ugly woman.”.

humbled

Girl next door-They may deserve it but it still makes me sad. I wish they could taste the sheer joy and freedom and growth that comes from escaping the clutches of a coercive mind controlling cult.

yes, that is the greater pain—Daily smiling-meeting /greeting the “goats”you believe are heading to destruction. Your brain frozen.

I don’t have a secure financial life by any means. But 10 years out of the depressing drag of JW life I often stop filled with gratitude that I’m out of it. Whatever life brings me I don’t have that ball and chain. If I were a Walmart greeter l would still be free.

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Recent New Testament translation causing a stir

by careful in

sharp-witted and well-educated eastern orthodox philosopher and theologian david bentley hart, now a fellow at notre dame, has produced a nt translation (yale univ press 2017) that is causing a major stir.

one-man translations are pretty rare any more, but this one is making a real splash, largely because it does not surrender to the group/translation committee mentality.. .

even though it's been out only a few months, it's already been reviewed several times in well-known publications.

humbled

Stevie2–

One of the pitfalls is that groups tend to ave a moderating influence on the finished product whereas lone translators are free to play out their idiosyncratic reasonings.

You may have said that ^^^as a cautionary against this single man translation but I see it as the freedom to speak freely because religious committees can also do harm-/the orthodoxy dumbing down effect.Think:Governing Body.

Is there a plural for incubus ?