Posts by humbled

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Questions concerning Deng Xiaoping

by fulltimestudent in

on another thread band on the run requested that i answer certain questions she put to me concerning deng xiaoping.

i requested another thread for that, one wasn't started so i start it myself.. i see the questions are reasonable, at least for someone who (admittedly) claims to know little about china, and i have no issues about answering them.

like all humans deng xiaoping, is a mix of good things and not so good things.. in telling deng's story, i have no wish to distort history, i see no reason to tell "outright lies about the past, or to omit facts that may lead to unacceptable conclusions or to gloss over anything with a quiet, slight admission that is buried by some other detail.

humbled

Thank you FTS,

Yes your posts add the kind of texture and background that is needed to consider a topic--any topic--well. Such posts allow for the quiet aborption of facts that are often never mentioned, issues very pertinent but ignored. But your subversive ways are so effective: we don't realized that our mind is being opened. Clever of you

The U.S. DID acquire lands that, by those descendents of the original residents, still are called the "Occupied Lands". But we in the U.S.do not see ourselve as imperialists.

"O. that God the gift woud gi' us to see oursel's as others see us"

No doubt their were many in your hall that wept at your loss.

Maeve

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The Mosaic Law (Is it still Valid)

by objectivetruth in

i'm interested to know of some of your view points out this.. is the mosaic law still valid, and should it be followed.

or as many claim was it done away with?.

from my examination of scripture, i feel that it is still valid, and christ did not do away with it.. briefly here are the primary reasons i feel this way :.

humbled

My problem with Mosaic Law even now--It does not ensure even the proper care of a cow--just as the law doesn't protect one human from another. The idea of love one's neighbor as one's self has always been the single law to inform Jesus' followers. It was the thorough-going aspect of that Golden rule in jesus' life that made him beautiful to me. No wiggle room for me in that.

And that about sacrifice not being a command from God I learned as I researched the very different words for sacrifice (zebach) and for burnt offering (olah). I reasoned on this in the puzzle of the Genesis 22 drama. "Offer your son as an OLAH" I like that you present it. It was a point that kept me believing for a while.

But here I have to say the labyrinth of study needed to arrive at these reflections must be superfluous to knowing how we are to live. I have had a life lived with far too many difficulties as a woman and a mother of seven. So often without running water. Often without electricity. Milking goats, cooking on wood stoves and so forth.(and I say this not that I look for admiration--I think it can be fairly argued that we were foolish and not commendable) these times informed me that women at least such as myself would never have had opportunity to stand on one foot in front of Hillel and found insight there. Instead, it would be by feeling the blazing warmth of respect and the thought that our own enjoyment of that dignity through the example of a Jesus we might thus understand. The golden rule is the supreme teacher.

I treat my cow as I would myself be treated--even if I eat her. Anyone who finds this laughable and yet eats a steak is laughing at me and I know I am more merciful than they--(O pride)

The Bible is far to chancey a guide for me to believe it was heaven sent. Crimes are too possible for those who use laws only and who relegate the golden rule to a slogan for the kindergarden.

Unadorned, I love the Jesus story--minus virgin births and resurrections.

I do appreciate your unaffected discussion. Something rare.

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The Mosaic Law (Is it still Valid)

by objectivetruth in

i'm interested to know of some of your view points out this.. is the mosaic law still valid, and should it be followed.

or as many claim was it done away with?.

from my examination of scripture, i feel that it is still valid, and christ did not do away with it.. briefly here are the primary reasons i feel this way :.

humbled

It has been said of me that I cherry-pick scriptures. But in instances such as this discussion--throwing aside the dogma, the theological overlays--I find that there is this:

As you two, OT and cofty, remind us the Jesus followers were not impeded by having to follow the Law of Moses if they were non-jews. It seems to have been immaterial then?

If the material teachings were indeed Love, Peace, Pacificism (needs discussion), Forgiveness, Humility, Tolerance, then I am still a christian even if I despise and do not believe the tripe from the churches?

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Hello Everyone.

by quellycatface in

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friends

not been posting as much on the forum recently, so just wanted to say hello.. what's everyone been up to?

what's the latest news, gossip and general crazy stuff going on?.

i've been busy with life and stuff.

humbled

Hello!

Good for you, quelly. A tree for Xmas! You have any young one to recruit for this? It is so much fun. My childhood had Xmas and in my less virulent phase of Christianity I celebrated Xmas by cutting down wild cedar trees and children and I made decorations and gifts for one another. Im glad you are making the most of freedom!

Here in my world (NW Arkansas, USA) the first frost has put a stop to the garden, my mongrel chickens have decided to save their necks (literally) by lining up to lay mini-eggs in an empty box on the porch.

On the board-- yes, things going on. Always interesting news. But if you've been scrolling/strolling through the topics you'll see that Jgnat has left us.

Thanks for dropping by to say hello--happiest holidays ever to you.

Maeve

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The Mosaic Law (Is it still Valid)

by objectivetruth in

i'm interested to know of some of your view points out this.. is the mosaic law still valid, and should it be followed.

or as many claim was it done away with?.

from my examination of scripture, i feel that it is still valid, and christ did not do away with it.. briefly here are the primary reasons i feel this way :.

humbled

Then what of the laws regarding women and their uncleaness after childbirth--40 days impure after a girl and something like half that for boys. and all the that about leaving the gleanings for the poor and levirite marriage? What is the limit? Stoning?

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The Mosaic Law (Is it still Valid)

by objectivetruth in

i'm interested to know of some of your view points out this.. is the mosaic law still valid, and should it be followed.

or as many claim was it done away with?.

from my examination of scripture, i feel that it is still valid, and christ did not do away with it.. briefly here are the primary reasons i feel this way :.

humbled

Objective truth--

Are relying on the word "lawless people" to help make your point? You shouldn't unless you have checked out the Greek. Other bible translations that use words like "wicked people", "unprincipled persons", "error of the impious', "immoral men" make it doubtful that the Mosaic Law is referenced here.

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The Mosaic Law (Is it still Valid)

by objectivetruth in

i'm interested to know of some of your view points out this.. is the mosaic law still valid, and should it be followed.

or as many claim was it done away with?.

from my examination of scripture, i feel that it is still valid, and christ did not do away with it.. briefly here are the primary reasons i feel this way :.

humbled

Wasn't every law lifted except fornication and eating un-bled meat?

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Words that irritate

by punkofnice in

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i have words that irritate me and not always without reason.. my latest hate is the word: 'solutions' as used by so many businesses in their title these days.

y'know, 'something innane business solutions' and such balderdash.. i loathe that word now.

arrrrggghhhhhh!

humbled

From the bad old days at the Hall

"It's being handled"

(meaning "shut yer trap))

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Girls names

by FeelingFree in

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ok so i know its not really anything to do with jwness but we are struggling with baby names and really can't think of one we both like.

its getting a bit desperate as i'm due in about 8 weeks .. i'm getting bored of looking at the same old names on the baby names websites so any suggestions would be much appreciated (girls please).. **cash prize for the one we choose!

** ....... no not really lol.. .

humbled

I love my name Maeve.

See:

www.babynamesofireland.com/maeve

It will pronounce it for you and give the background. Be warned though--it is pagan.

...and all the best with the birth. A truly great event.

Maeve

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one last step..Is being mentally out the same as being emotionally out?

by MissFit in

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we talk here about the importance of being mentally and physically out to be really free.. what about being emotionally free?.

i realized for me, i had to be emotionally awake first.

i had been yo-young back and forth for years.

humbled

I found the OT horrifying but I reasoned that some of the dark parts might be due to human interpretation of events. But the story that damned God, in my mind, was Genesis 22 : All our literature has God demanding Abe asking for the sacrifice of Isaac. I cited the worst offender, MY Book of Bible Stories as particularly offensive.

I spent years slowly piecing together bible research and paleography and how often particular words were used in what context. And more--because it wasn't possible that the pivot point of the bible would be this rotten. My material was corroborated by Bethel. But even though there existed valid reasons to give Jehovah plausible deniability on the charge that he was a lying, sneaking s.o.b., Bethel plastered a lengthy response with such ridiculous verbage that I could only laugh. Because all I had asked for myself was not to have to say "sacrifice your son" since the text didn't use it but used another word.

It is tedious to even bother you with that much. But it was a huge concern to me--I didn't want to serve a monster, won't serve one. The WTBTS did. They could live quite nicely with it--And having been a Catholic earlier on and now dealing with this--my peasant practicality burst out and I just couldn't handle any more bullshit mystery.

I told the brothers that I couldn't believe that the Corp was the FDS. and so I was OUT. I really believed that god should be good.

Then the Epic Thread buried him.

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Your own journey out from capture was gutsy and amazing , MissFit. I am really awed by your resolute clarity and bravery. Also, I enjoy your clarity and generousity in this and other threads. I find it harder to be open about my thoughts when I am still uncertain and searching for a fair evaluation of the world I live in--and the people and events close in and beyond my own door. I do value a truly hospitable nature. thanks for asking me to say my piece.