Deciding the "canon" and what did not make the cut was a big part of my self-education that helped free me from believing that any "inspiration" was involved in the writing of those books.
Another great factor was really discovering that no significant group of people on earth ever lived according to all the rules in the Bible. The Jews were given the rules and told that people "DID" follow those rules in the past, but that's just a fairy tale.
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The people who decided the Scriptures
by Doug Mason inmany people over many centuries have been involved in deciding which documents were scripture.
there has never been unanimous agreement, including today.
only the church of rome took a vote on the canon.
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New abbreviation POMOSI
by NeedToKnow ini was thinking that i’m not exactly pomo but more pomosi - physically out mentally out spiritually in.. anyone who is familiar with the life of raymond franz may understand what i mean.
so i haven’t been to meetings in a while and i’m so over the whole mind control thing but i do love jehovah and believe in his purpose for us.
the org doesn’t go about it properly imo so i have been doing my own reading and understanding.
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OnTheWayOut
If it's POMOSI, then I assume you believe in some of what "Jehovah's Witnesses" teach or at least taught somewhere in the past. Perhaps you should look up the International Bible Students. (http://www.internationalbiblestudents.com/about.html)
I tell you what. I hate being preached to. I really do. So I won't "preach" to you why that would never work for me.
But I will say - drawing lines at what's true and literal and what's symbolic, how to discern ancient meanings of vague texts, and deciding what actual writings should be "the Bible" - all that makes it very hard to do a serious study of Christianity. Good luck.
edited to add: I think Ray Franz was still a bit POMI. I doubt all of us would agree on a clear separation between "spiritually in" and "mentally out." -
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Why are they announcing 2019 conventions so early?
by Richard_I ini was just told there will be international conventions in canada in 2019. .
so i looked at jw.org and i see that there's a whole bunch of conventions now listed on the site for 2019.. isn't this odd?
normally we were told the location of conventions during the first week of january.. did they realize there was less in attendance in the 2018 conventions, and want to give ppl more time to make travel arrangements??
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Why are they announcing 2019 conventions so early?
Someone here said it, but so that all JW's get the point-
Knowing that the GB planned dates for 2019 means they know the end of the world as we know it is at least another year away. Adding in future Memorial dates puts it off even further. -
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Another JW "friend" bites the dust
by TerryWalstrom injust got word one of my favorite friends died a year ago!
only now have i heard about it.
he remained a devout jehovah's witness--so--he could not/would not speak to me.
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Just think about that, will you?His religion predicted THE END and he remained another 40 years thinking it was going to come "soon."Yeah, many many of us know someone like that, often our family members. My mother would be one of those.Some get awake and some double down on their hopes when the date doesn't arrive as expected.My dad is going thru loss of people he worked with and lost touch with passing away. His union emails list anothrr one biting the dust virtually every week or two. It's that part of life we must accept as it reminds us that we are going to be the one biting the dust one day.My meetup group just honored the passing of one of our ex-JW's, only 62 years old. She will be missed. My wife tells me a bunch of names of people I knew from the congregation that have passed.Most JW's now are older ones who were sure the end was soon. So it will happen more and more.Sorry for your loss. Sounds like a good friend lost and then lost again to the reaper. -
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Latest update: Finally Free!
by campaign of hate ini haven’t posted here in a while, although i have been keeping an eye on the posts.
i love morpheus bluntness and sbf optimism that jw chariot is going to fall of the cliff imminently!.
as the title suggests, the latest in my life is that i’m finally free!
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OnTheWayOut
Hey, congratulations on finally being free.
I’ve had a few texts and missed calls, but expect them to come knocking soon. Going to keep my reasons strictly personal and if anything say I have doubts. I highly recommend this strategy to any one else in my situation.
That was my method of resigning as an elder and my light explanation for family. But I want to recommend that once you stated your case and walked away, DO NOT DISCUSS ANY FURTHER WITH ELDERS. Don't reply more than 'I am fine, no thanks.' to any text or call at your door. Never invite them in. If you felt pressure to meet with thrm (to avoid being df'ed) meet in public or at the hall, so you feel free to leave at any moment.
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Jw funerals
by blisterfeet ini recently posted that i found out my father is sick.
i have not found out any additional information from my family.
i’m kinda on an “as provided” basis with information.
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I don't know your situation, but if possible, go see the living person to say your goodbye. Then if you are excluded or unwelcome to a funeral, you already had your visit and don't need their dog and pony show.
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London Protest 2018
by josephus inwell today marks the beginning and biggest day of our protest at the london excel.. we believe it's a record number at around 100 exjws at the front door.. we spoke to lots of jw's and one young man studying who has quit after talking to us.
we've been approached privately by jw's who thanked us for coming and the security at the event treated us very well.. if anyone wants to see some clips they are available on my channel the great apostate.. thanks to all for the support and love..
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We've been approached privately by JW's who thanked us for coming
complete bullshit.
hey, if it makes you happy, protest away, but please dont fool yourself into thinking that its meaningful and dont think for one moment your self delusions are shared by anyone else.
That thought crossed my mind too. Kinda Rick-Fearon-ish.
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GB and being famous
by asp59 inhave there been a gb in the organization before that like the 'spot light' as much as the current one?
they seem to be everywhere.
from broadcasting, to magazine and selfie jws post on facebook with them..
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OnTheWayOut
When I faded in 2006-07, the GB were still mostly out of the spotlight. Your average member did not know anything of them. I wrote in my elder resignation letter that I could not continue to promote their changes in "our" beliefs because I knew little of them, and I cited scriptures that said to "know" the little flock (or some such garbage Watchtower has plenty of).
In a way, I wonder if my congregation elders think "If only OnTheWayOut had waited, since the GB have stepped out into the spotlight. He could 'know' them now."
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Were You Close To Your Non JW Family?
by minimus ini was thinking of how little i know about my father’s side of the family.
i recently inquired about ancestry.com and i’ve come to the realization that even the closest sides of my family via my father, are unknown to me .
what a shame that jehovah’s witnesses kept us apart.
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I stayed tight with my never-a-JW father, and had enough contact with all of my non-JW family that they embraced me back into the fold fully when I said I was leaving the cult. They love doing Christmas and including me.
Only my step-grandmother (all grandparents deceased) didn't understand my leaving JW's as she felt that any Christianity was good. She claims a denomination, but never ever goes to church. But I am also in regular contact with her. Her deceased husband, my grandfather, hated organized religion and would have understood.
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London Protest 2018
by josephus inwell today marks the beginning and biggest day of our protest at the london excel.. we believe it's a record number at around 100 exjws at the front door.. we spoke to lots of jw's and one young man studying who has quit after talking to us.
we've been approached privately by jw's who thanked us for coming and the security at the event treated us very well.. if anyone wants to see some clips they are available on my channel the great apostate.. thanks to all for the support and love..
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OnTheWayOut
If one young man quit after talking to you, then everything else is gravy. It was certainly awesome.