Posts by OnTheWayOut

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Jesus fulfilling old testament prophecies like his legs not being broken

by Isambard Crater in

what are everyone's thoughts on this, how his legs weren't broken, he was pierced with a spear and he wore a thorny crown?.

i'm pimo and very much not wanting to believe, but like the daniel statue prophecies, these ones about jesus stick in my mind and give me "hmmm, maybe" moments..

OnTheWayOut

You miss the point. I am not included in your argument group. You are saying that something is inarguable if we only stay exclusive to Christians and Jews.

I am saying that there is a group not arguing that something is a holy text and there is a group not arguing that Watchtower is the correct beliefs, but that doesn't make their claim "inarguable" if people outside the group want to argue about the text being holy or the Watchtower being correct beliefs.

I can find a group that unarguably declares the Bible to be words of men only. I could probably even find a group larger than the number of Christians and Jews in your group- the two thirds of the planet not part of your group. It matters not. It is not inarguable.

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Jesus fulfilling old testament prophecies like his legs not being broken

by Isambard Crater in

what are everyone's thoughts on this, how his legs weren't broken, he was pierced with a spear and he wore a thorny crown?.

i'm pimo and very much not wanting to believe, but like the daniel statue prophecies, these ones about jesus stick in my mind and give me "hmmm, maybe" moments..

OnTheWayOut

inarguable: certain or clearly true, not open to argument, doubt, or question.

Yeah, even Christians and Jews argue over it. But I know what you are saying. Still, the printed word of Watchtower is unarguably the beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses. So to be so exclusive as to who is allowed to argue a point is not acceptable to me. Good luck with that.

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Leaked 2018 Elders Training Video RE: Elders Reviewing Pionieers

by pale.emperor in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhq5viughny&feature=youtu.be.

quite frankly im disturbed at the lack of love and compassion.

especially for the first sister they talk about!.

OnTheWayOut

Did they ever discuss how these guys themselves can sit at a cart with the lady short on hours and get the hours?

I agree that discontinuance of pioneer service can be a relief from stress. But I also get that they make these people feel guilty that they are not pioneers or guilty that they fall short on the hours.

How about "Congratulations Sister, we have granted you relief." ?

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Jesus fulfilling old testament prophecies like his legs not being broken

by Isambard Crater in

what are everyone's thoughts on this, how his legs weren't broken, he was pierced with a spear and he wore a thorny crown?.

i'm pimo and very much not wanting to believe, but like the daniel statue prophecies, these ones about jesus stick in my mind and give me "hmmm, maybe" moments..

OnTheWayOut

OnTheWayOut...

Duck and run...Classic.

Yeah fine. No matter what valid points are made, you will declare victory. So enjoy.
I just don't need to be another voice trying to tell you that various people interpret the Bible in various ways. It's already pointed out to you that some declare OT writings to apply to "Israel" and not "Messiah" (or the personification of the principle of light). But nope, it all points to Jesus. I am not going to bother joining the chorus because you go too far to say that my even talking about it, knowing about it, is proof that it is "from God." WOW, YOU WIN!

You are just too not ready to have real discussions. Nope, you win no matter what. The Bible proves the Bible is from God. It doesn't approve rape and subservience of women or slavery. Anywhere it couldn't be literal, of course it was symbolic. And of course it cannot be made to say anything as the atheists say, but only says what your Christianity says it says.

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Jesus fulfilling old testament prophecies like his legs not being broken

by Isambard Crater in

what are everyone's thoughts on this, how his legs weren't broken, he was pierced with a spear and he wore a thorny crown?.

i'm pimo and very much not wanting to believe, but like the daniel statue prophecies, these ones about jesus stick in my mind and give me "hmmm, maybe" moments..

OnTheWayOut

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt3lDso0wIk

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Jesus fulfilling old testament prophecies like his legs not being broken

by Isambard Crater in

what are everyone's thoughts on this, how his legs weren't broken, he was pierced with a spear and he wore a thorny crown?.

i'm pimo and very much not wanting to believe, but like the daniel statue prophecies, these ones about jesus stick in my mind and give me "hmmm, maybe" moments..

OnTheWayOut

Now you spin it around to accuse me of spinning it around. Classic.

"The very fact that [I] have an opinion about Jesus' claim to be God's Messiah PROVES the validity of the OT scripture that says 'the people have seen a great light'".

I have an opinion about Mohammed abd Vishnu and others....but I am not on a Muslim debate forum or other forum dealing with non-Christian cults.

People living before the NT was writen were without the Messiah yet they could have a clue about the contents of the OT. I left a group that insisted I need someone else to understand the Bible.

And by your own logic- The fact that people believe in any of the gods of the world is some kind of proof of their validity.

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Jesus fulfilling old testament prophecies like his legs not being broken

by Isambard Crater in

what are everyone's thoughts on this, how his legs weren't broken, he was pierced with a spear and he wore a thorny crown?.

i'm pimo and very much not wanting to believe, but like the daniel statue prophecies, these ones about jesus stick in my mind and give me "hmmm, maybe" moments..

OnTheWayOut

Dear myelaine,

There are various belief statements that can be said of Islam, Thor, Isis, any number of gods that would go the same way as saying "The very fact that you have an opinion ...."

Your statements show how closed your mind is...and how you try to spin it around on unbelievers.

So I am not interested in a new debate with someone like that. Good day.

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Jesus fulfilling old testament prophecies like his legs not being broken

by Isambard Crater in

what are everyone's thoughts on this, how his legs weren't broken, he was pierced with a spear and he wore a thorny crown?.

i'm pimo and very much not wanting to believe, but like the daniel statue prophecies, these ones about jesus stick in my mind and give me "hmmm, maybe" moments..

OnTheWayOut

venus:

Crazyguy,

Interesting observation. If Jesus had really performed such great miracles such as calming the storm, resurrection ... no writer would search for so weak as irrelevant, prophecy-looking verses from OT to prove Messiah's credential. It's not only redundant but also back-firing.

Very good point. "Christ Jesus brought the dead back to life, he calmed a violent storm, and.....oh, yeah- So sayeth the Psalms that his legs would not be broken, that happened too."

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They have to step down

by Gorbatchov in

jw
friends

with all the leaked information, it has to be a one way direction to the exit for the watchtower leadership and gb.. they can not stay.. it can take time, but this is the only scenario.. g..

OnTheWayOut

Besides the ARC, what exactly are you saying will cause them to step down?
I am with DJS on this. It doesn't really matter what comes out if they can say it is "the world" causing it.

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Talked Higher Education with Mrs. OTWO

by OnTheWayOut in

jw
friends

so i shared a facebook video from newsbroke with my wife.

you many agree or disagree with the points made in the video.

please, don't make this about that.

OnTheWayOut

A few more page 2 replies-

Flipper, I think Trump said "....the poorly educated." The word "poorly" is rather important to me. It comes from someone who had opportunities, but isn't necessarily applying what he was exposed to. It's important because of my wife's Masters Degree. She got through school, but doesn't apply any of the ways of thinking, just went for the documents. And it allows her to think she is not "poorly" educated.
When we talked about whether she was conservative or liberal, she really had no clue. Nobody should have to be told what they are, but should figure it out on their own.

sporece, we have discussed the delay of Armageddon. Of course it is around the next corner. Mainly, she has discussed what we are going to do at retirement. I have a decent pension and she has moved around in jobs too much to have anything but social security. I told her we should stay where we are when I retire and she can stay with her current school system until she has the minimum years for a pension. She says "NO WAY! I want to move to somewhere warm." She seems to think that all will be wonderful in retirement. Sometimes when she asks about "the plan," I say "Armageddon is supposed to arrive, you are supposed to keep your eyes simple. So don't worry about it." But really, I notice that she doesn't really believe the end will come in our lifetime, so she wants to enjoy her autumn years.

Island Man, very good suggestions. She does seem to be of the mindset that education is the answer, she does need more reminders to push the JW mindset a wee bit further from the tip of her tongue.