Good point, Flipper. The Mayan calendar expired and there was no apocalypse. So too, the Watchtower calendar has run out because of the grand promises made. They will not turn that around, they will just take all the money they possibly can before it all topples over.
OnTheWayOut
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What can the leadership at Watchtower do to turn things around?
by UnshackleTheChains inlet's play devils advocate here.. put yourself in the governing body's shoes.
they are well aware of all the issues they are facing.
they know their numbers (they 'do the math' as they say in the us).
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Alternative witnessing
by Zyron inthose of us still attending meeting are actively encouraged to use out tablets or smartphones to direct people to jw.org.
how about, after doing the standard presentation casually say to householder, you can also look at this forum to read of experiences of life as a jw as well as the official version?.
obviously you need to be working by yourself or with a pimo jw..
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OnTheWayOut
How about, after doing the standard presentation casually say to householder, you can also look at this forum to read of experiences of life as a JW as well as the official version?
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A Little Direction Please
by Brian J ini'm an active elder, cobe, just got home from the meeting where i handled the treasures part and concluded by announcing a friend of mine has been d/f,.....blah blah blah...and over the last year have woken up.
i simply cannot spill my guts to my wife and children as it would be family suicide.
i have zero desire to bash, spread my feelings, or become an "apostate".
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OnTheWayOut
Only you can know how far to go. I will tell you that I needed out for my own mental health and my wife did not receive it well. She is still in more than a decade after I left, but I am so glad I left.
If I had kids, I would not have faded away, but would have offered a way for them to have a more normal upbringing by disassociating.
Regardless of your decision on how to go about this, you may want to shake loose of those elder duties.
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Brooklyn Daily Eagle: Jehovah's Witnesses sell The Towers, a storied Brooklyn Heights hotel
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://www.brooklyneagle.com/articles/2017/11/1/jehovahs-witnesses-sell-towers-storied-brooklyn-heights-hotel.
jehovah's witnesses sell the towers, a storied brooklyn heights hotel.
the jehovah's witnesses have sold the towers, a storied brooklyn heights hotel.
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OnTheWayOut
The BORG, which stood for Brooklyn ORGanization, will remain like the fictional Star Trek race of conquerors in many ways. Maybe we will keep the B for "Billions." Ha.
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San Francisco Giants vs. Kansas City Royals - World Series Winners ?
by flipper inonce again for the 3rd time in 5 years my favorite baseball team the s.f.
giants are headed to the world series !
so who do you think will win this years series and your reasons for your predictions ?
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Game 7 was really about the first 2 innings for Houston. They got the better of the starting pitcher and then kept it exciting enough the rest of the game.
But the Dodgers- inning after inning of leaving men on base. WOW! Things could have changed at any time, but it was a great game for the fans.
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Witnessing Just After Sunrise
by Iamallcool inabout everytime i go to the grocery store just after sunrise, i can see the witnesses sitting and waiting inside their cars to distribute literature.
it is not against the law for them to do that.
i was wondering do they allow parking lot witnessing in your area?.
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OnTheWayOut
The one that gets me in a big city is seeing them inside the buildings and tunnels of commuter train systems. Of course they don't belong there.
As for parked car witnessing. I remember a JW motioning me over to the car as I was walking on the sidewalk. It was a public street, so no private/public parking issue. When she asked me if I would like to read the Watchtower and Awake, I lit into her a little bit.
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In 1923 I Almost Died
by TerryWalstrom inin 1923 i almost died.. don't get me wrong, i wouldn't even exist for another 44 years.. for a few seconds, on top a building, my grandfather stood with tears running down his cheeks and a small caliber pistol in his right hand.
if he had pulled the trigger, not just one man--one very depressed and hopeless man--would die; he'd take with him the four children his wife would never carry, their children (including me) and so on.
all of my children and grandchildren would never exist stretching off into the darkness of eternity itself.. it was on the way back from seagoville, near dallas, my grandfather told me about it the day he drove out to the prison where i was to be released on parole.____.
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If I wanted to exercise my author skills, I would tell the long version of my ALMOST DIED story, mine being 1929.
Here's the short version.
My grandfather's family was going to move from Chicago, IL. to somewhere in California. Grandpa was just a kid. All was set. They sold the house and had a check in hand. The crash happened, the banks failed- THAT VERY DAY! If they had not sold the house, they would still have the house and sold it at a later time. They could have moved later. If they had sold the the house sooner, they would have had cash money in hand. They would have gone to California. Instead, they had no house and a worthless check in hand.So they did not leave Chicago. They moved in with family. The rest is how Grandpa met Grandma and my father was born later in Chicago.
Grandpa told that story now and again (after Grandma passed away). I think he wondered more than anyone else what life would have been like. Those of us listening knew life would not have existed for us. -
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What can the leadership at Watchtower do to turn things around?
by UnshackleTheChains inlet's play devils advocate here.. put yourself in the governing body's shoes.
they are well aware of all the issues they are facing.
they know their numbers (they 'do the math' as they say in the us).
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OnTheWayOut
Watchtower is calendar and money-driven. Watchtower is a literature printing company in an era where printing is almost dead. Many print magazines have gone online in the hopes that people will pay for them on their tablets. That has not gone well.
I don't have the answer to "turn things around" in the long run, but I see a replay of 1975. When they declared (but did not declare) that the end of the world was coming, it was a replay of times before when they managed to come out ahead. In 1976, they had financed the modernization of presses and they gained more members than they lost over the issue. As a matter of fact, they gained more members than they ever would have if they had not done their Armageddon play.
So I see 2034 as their next big play. Membership recruiting is DEAD right now. The only real growth is from a small portion of the children who grew up in it. They will not really, in the computer age, change their recruiting of adults, but I see them trying to retain more kids. The vast difference between this Armageddon declaration and those of the past is that this one will kill them when it fails. So I see them using it as a way to focus more on taking more money from the members than actually growing in membership.
After the fail, they will be like Scientology- rich in property and/or money but with a small membership. And maybe the Governing Body members will take the money and run. Or maybe they will encourage members to get married and have lots of children so they have a "next generation" to attend meetings. I doubt either of those. More likely, they will use their financing to try to become some kind of internet religion and sell ALL the Kingdom Halls. -
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Asking for help with wife
by Are you serious inhello everyone, my wife wants nothing to do with my awakening.
every time i try explaining something she tells me she doesn't want to hear it.
i believe she's afraid of learning something she's not ready for.
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OnTheWayOut
There are so many of us in your situation- the mate who woke up trying/hoping for change in the other mate.
I had to let it go and just lightly hit at the doctrine now and again. Mostly, I point out things in daily life and politics where people choose to close their eyes to the clear and obvious truth of matters. Mostly, I help tug at my wife's emotions about doing the right thing and how it would be wrong to "shun" family over petty differences. Hugely, I point out problems in the news with Muslims, Mormons, Christian groups, the like- without directly mentioning JW's.
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ANECDOTE of the DAY (a Rabbi on God's slaying of humans)
by TerryWalstrom inanecdote of the day.
_________i spoke with a certain rabbi every morning for over a year and a half.we were at a starbucks along with a table filled with all sorts of fellows.
they were mostly immigrants.
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So I woulda said, "We are not each just a worthless canvas. Parents do not have the right to slaughter their children. If you think it's more than that, then I would have to say the creator of something more than feelingless canvas has some responsibility to reveal himself to the ones he is about to slaughter in order for them to defend their actions or change them if that were proper."