Posts by OnTheWayOut

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Does Disfellowshipping only prohibit spiritual contact with a DF family member or friend?

by Isambard Crater in

all through my life, now in my 40's, i've seen df people get completely shunned by family and friends, but an ex elder showed me the stfog book that says it's just spiritual contact that stops.

so what's the crack?

i'm mega confused, as i want to go p.o.m.o or ideally da but don't want to loose family..

OnTheWayOut

The literature will say both things, that you should not have spiritual contact with a person and also that you should not even say hello to them.

"… a simple "Hello" to someone can be the first step that develops into a conversation and maybe even a friendship. Would we want to take that first step with a disfellowshiped person?" Watchtower 1981 Sep 15 p.25

They will show the one thing to government officials and curious people who think they are a cult, that they allow normal family relations and only refrain from spirtual discussions, therefore their work should not be banned and they should not be viewed as an extremist group. Then they will remind members of the other thing- any contact can lead to being misled by Satan's wiles.

Current literature still says shunning is necessary:
"Despite our pain of heart, we must avoid normal contact with a disfellowshipped family member by telephone, text messages, letters, e-mails, or social media." Watchtower 2017 Oct p.16

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Theramin Trees: Becoming Fools | A Visit From Some JWs

by pale.emperor in

excellent video from theramin tree's.

it's funny that we can relate entirely to the jw's in this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewehb4qm1hg.

OnTheWayOut

That video was brilliant. While it should be a sweeping generality to apply it to all JW's, we know well enough that the statements about JW's apply virtually universally to them. This reminds me quite so of why I don't really bother with the average JW. With a loved one, we might have time to overcome obstacles, but with a JW acquaintance, they just stop thinking when their message is challenged.

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Anyone know the significance of the three days and nights Jesus is dead?

by Crazyguy in

in my studies i’ve come to realize that most dying and rising gods such as inanna, jesus and others all were dead three days and nights.

the moon is dead as far as man not being able to see it in the sky three days and nights but many of these gods are not associated with the moon, osiris maybe being the only exception.

have any of you in your research come up with a plausible idea on why there all dead just threes days and three nights?.

OnTheWayOut

Some writers were on a roll with the "3."

Jesus prayed 3 times in the Garden of Gethsemane. He was placed on the cross at the 3rd hour. There were 3 hours of darkness while Jesus remained on the cross. So Jesus was dead for 3 days and 3 nights before being resurrected.

Using "3" quite a bit makes it take on some mysterious importance.

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What Privileges do you get when you are baptized ?

by LOLS in

my husband was baptized at the recent 2018 convention in south africa ....... he was very annoyed that his non-believing wife did not attend the baptism....... but i think he received pressure from his jw father & elders as to why his wife was not attending ....... anyway ..... it's really water off my back .

i wanted to know what privileges you get as a baptized jw man , as i saw a message from one of the elders at his cong , congratulating him on his baptism and to earning more privileges ..... what are these privileges the elder is speaking about ,,,,, .

i don't feel like asking my husband as it just lands up in a stupid fight ..... or a long winded explanation ..... thanks .

OnTheWayOut

It's all been mentioned already. Basically, a "brother" will be able to devote more of his own time and energy to doing the bidding of the Watcbhtower. He can volunteer for more petty assignments and start working toward kissing elders' asses so that they appoint him a ministerial servant later and give him even more petty assignments that require a man with that title to do, such as collecting money from the contribution box and being in charge of others when cleaning or organizing the recruiting work.

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09/16/18 WT | My Wife's First JW (cult) Epiphany

by Solzhenitsyn in

oh rapture!

today's wt caused my wife's first [jw mind control] epiphany and she didn't hesitate to share upon her discovery.

09/16/2018 | "where are your eyes looking?

OnTheWayOut

I second TD's comment.

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Lies from the watchtower

by StephaneLaliberte in

i am interested in getting a list of lies that the watchtower has said or wrote in the past that could actually be proven to be as such, or, for the very least, deliberately misleading.

1. in a morning worship lecture in 2015, stephen lett said .

"rejecting false stories designed to separate us from jehovah's organization.

OnTheWayOut

If it hasn't been posted totally-

https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/misquotes-deception-lies.php

Lying

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Hit Movies that could be made regarding Jws or other cults

by caves in

one i was thinking of is if a gay jw fell in love with a gay mormon and both got shunned at the same time each in there respective religions 'cough' cults.

both with no more family and no friends.

both with deep conscience issues ripping at the very fabric of their love.

OnTheWayOut

A movie similar to THE MASTER, about Joseph Rutherford seizing control of the Bible Students and morphing it into the cult it becomes would be a good movie.

Maybe a 1975 movie about some family denying their child a real education because the end is coming so soon, and then of course the end wouldn't come and the story could have the aftermath where the child is now an adult and leaves that cult because of the unfulfilled promise, but he must leave behind his family who accepted blame for believing Watchtower said what they said.

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The Wizard of Oz

by I Faded Twice in

jw
friends

does anyone else see the similarities between the wizard of oz and the gb?.

it's kind of like when the curtain is removed and you find out it's all smoke and mirrors.

plus dorothy wakes up at the end!.

OnTheWayOut

The Wizard of Oz

Try these also:
The Village (M. Night Shyamalan)
The Matrix
Tangled

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JWFacts is incorrect about "Holy Spirit". Do YOU know about the 40 or so years the WT taught there was NO holy spirit?

by Bad_Wolf in

i did my own extensive research as i was getting out, and by exploring actual changes and mentions of core doctrine, i learned how it came about that the gb teach that only they know the truth and only they get holy spirit.

i was checking if jwfacts had it, and although they mention many older articles, it seems they didn't realize they taught there was no holy spirit.

this was a real big eye opener for me, so thought i'd share it, and curious if any of you knew about this yourselves????.

OnTheWayOut

I appreciate the hard work that jwfacts has done. While this stuff is very important to people still waking up and wanting to know just how "wrong" Jehovah's Witnesses really are, I am quite satisfied with the answers that jwfacts provided. But feel free to demonstrate how "wrong" they are, how much they changed.

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What was the EXACT exJW website you first visited and why EXACTLY did you visit it?

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

i had two episodes of visiting exjw websites:one time around 2007 when i just googled "jehovah´s witnesses" and dared to look at those sites.

i was scared and i promised myself i would never come back to them.

however, that one didn´t really count.the moment that woke me up was this:i got to know that whitney heichel was a jw and murdered by another jw, because i overheard that conversation in a kingdom hall.i looked up the news and in one of the news comments, there was one where an exjw was complaining that they were hijacking her funeral and they were really trying to downplay the fact that her murderer was a jw... and then it said "visit jwfacts.com"... which i did.and the rest... is history.what exactly got you onto an apostate website when you woke up?

OnTheWayOut

When I finally googled "Jehovah's Witnesses," there were a bunch of web pages. Before discovering jwfacts, I was going to Randy Watters' page quite a bit. I believe it was freeminds.org. Randy had a thing called TALK SOUP which linked to other stuff, much of it was threads on jehovahs-witness.com.