Lies from the watchtower

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  • StephaneLaliberte
    StephaneLaliberte

    I am interested in getting a list of lies that the watchtower has said or wrote in the past that could actually be proven to be as such, or, for the very least, deliberately misleading.

    1. In a morning worship lecture in 2015, Stephen Lett said

    "Rejecting false stories designed to separate us from Jehovah's organization. As an example, think about the apostates driven lies and dishonesties that Jehovah's Organisation is permissive towards pedophiles. I mean that is ridiculous isn't it? If anybody takes actions against someone who threaten our young ones and takes actions to protect our young ones, is Jehovah`s organization. We reject outright such lies.

    At the time they were investigated by the Australian Commission who identified that the religion dealt with 1006 pedophiles without reporting any of them to the police, not one, making such a statement nothing short of a lie.

  • bennyk
    bennyk

    Re: 1914

    "As for the time of Christ’s second presence, Daniel’s prophecy is again the one that gives the chronology for it. (Dan. 4:16) It was figured out as pointing to A.D. 1914, and The Watchtower called notice to the significance of 1914 in the year 1879. " -- Watchtower 01. Nov. 1952, p. 658 § 16 (The Society taught that the Second Presence occurred in 1874 until at least 1929. (The Harp of God, p. 231; Prophecy, p.65) The Society's pre-1914 teachings regarding the "significance" of 1914 were entirely different than what the Society teaches today. See The Time is at Hand (1889), pp. 76-78.)

    "Why, then, do the nations not realize and accept the approach of this climax of judgment? It is because they have not heeded the world-wide advertising of Christ’s return and his second presence. Since long before World War I Jehovah’s witnesses pointed to 1914 as the time for this great event to occur." -- Watchtower 15. June 1954, p. 370 § 4 (The Society taught that the Second Presence occurred in 1874 until at least 1929. (The Harp of God, p. 231; Prophecy, p.65))

    "Regarding Bible chronology, suffice it to say that on the basis of time periods indicated in the books of Daniel and Revelation, as far back as 1877 the date 1914 was given as the time for the coming or establishing of God’s kingdom. This information was first published by the first president of the Watch Tower Society in the pamphlet The Three Worlds and shortly thereafter in the columns of The Watchtower.

    So thirty-seven years before 1914 it was announced that Bible chronology pinpointed that year as the time for the beginning of God’s kingdom, even though at the time not all the details were clearly understood." -- Watchtower 15. Oct. 1956, p. 614 (Until 1922, the Society taught that Jesus had been enthroned in 1878 . See The Time is at Hand, p. 101 § 1)

    "For over thirty years before that date and for half a century since, Jehovah’s witnesses have pointed to the year 1914 as the time for the end of “the appointed times of the nations” and the time in which Christ would begin his Kingdom rule." -- Watchtower 15. Feb. 1966, p. 103 (See The Time is at Hand, p. 101 § 1)

    "More than thirty-five years in advance, by help of God’s holy spirit, dedicated Bible students calculated the Gentile Times as due to expire in the early autumn of 1914, but the religious clergy of Christendom criticized them and mocked them for publishing such a Bible time schedule. But the events of 1914 silenced the critics, though they were not converted." -- Watchtower 15. Oct. 1966, p. 617 § 15 ("Silenced the critics"??? Contrast Light, Volume I, p.194.)

    "As far back as 1879, the publishers of this magazine pointed to the year 1914 as a marked year in Bible prophecy, as the starting point for what the Bible calls “the time of the end.”" -- Awake! 08. Oct. 1972, p. 15 (The Society taught that the "time of the end" began in 1799 until 1929. See The Harp of God, pp. 229-234.)

    "Even earlier, however, C. T. Russell wrote an article entitled “Gentile Times: When Do They End?” It was published in the Bible Examiner of October 1876, and therein Russell said: “The seven times will end in A.D. 1914.” He had correctly linked the Gentile Times with the “seven times” mentioned in the book of Daniel. (Dan. 4:16, 23, 25, 32) True to such calculations, 1914 did mark the end of those times and the birth of God’s kingdom in heaven with Christ Jesus as king. Just think of it! Jehovah granted his people that knowledge nearly four decades before those times expired." -- Yearbook 1975, p. 37 (Not true. See The Time is at Hand, p. 101 § 1)

    "Today, Jehovah’s Witnesses point to the “sign” given by Jesus and look back upon 1914 as the year when his invisible presence in Kingdom power became a reality. But how could they have had advance knowledge of such a momentous event? Not because of extraordinary human wisdom. No, but because they have prayerfully studied the Scriptures, heeded God’s prophetic word and paid more than usual attention to what God’s Son foretold. (2 Peter 1:19; Hebrews 1:1, 2; 2:1) Grateful that Jehovah has ‘told them fresh things before they have appeared,’ the Witnesses are delighted to be spreading this knowledge earth wide." -- Watchtower 01. April 1984, p. 16 § 5 (They did not have "advanced knowledge." See The Time is at Hand, p. 101 § 1)

    "From its first year of publication, this magazine pointed forward, by sound Scriptural reckoning, to the date 1914 as an epoch-making date in Bible chronology. So when Christ’s invisible presence began in 1914, happy were these Christians to have been found watching!" -- Watchtower 01. Dec. 1984, p. 14 § 20 ("Epoch-making"??? The Society's pre-1914 teachings regarding the "significance" of 1914 were entirely different than what the Society teaches today. Contrast The Time is at Hand, pp. 76-78. "Happy"??? Contrast Light, Volume I, p.194.)

    "From 1876 onward, Jehovah’s people served notice upon the world, and particularly upon Christendom, that the Gentile Times would end in the fall of 1914. (Luke 21:24, King James Version) The clergy could not ignore this preliminary work of almost 40 years-a work corresponding to that of John the Baptizer. Those clergymen waited eagerly to pounce upon this journal’s editor should 1914 pass without any outstanding events to correspond with those about which he warned. But, oh, how they were silenced when on July 28, 1914, peace was shattered by the outbreak of World War I!" -- Watchtower 01. Sep. 1985, p. 24 § 11 ("Silenced"??? Contrast Light, Volume I, p.194.)

    "Similarly, a prophecy providentially caused sincere 19th-century Bible students to be in expectation. By linking the “seven times” of Daniel 4:25 with “the times of the Gentiles,” they anticipated that Christ would receive Kingdom power in 1914." -- Watchtower 15. Sept. 1998, p. 15. (See The Time is at Hand, p. 101 § 1)

    Additionally:

    "From a purely human viewpoint, it could appear that these developments could hardly take place before the generation of 1914 disappears from the scene. But fulfillment of all the foretold events affecting the generation of 1914 does not depend on comparatively slow human action. Jehovah’s prophetic word through Christ Jesus is: “This generation [of 1914] will by no means pass away until all things occur.” (Luke 21:32) And Jehovah, who is the source of inspired and unfailing prophecy, will bring about the fulfillment of his Son’s words in a relatively short time." -- Watchtower 15. May 1984, pp. 6,7 [brackets in original] (Here the Society attributes their own false prophecy to Almighty God.)


  • bennyk
    bennyk

    The older WTS publications to be contrasted with the more recent claims:

    "The time of the Lord’s second presence dates from 1874, as above stated." --The Harp of God, p. 231

    "The Scriptural proof is that the second presence of the Lord Jesus Christ began in 1874 A.D."-- Prophecy (1929), p.65

    "In this chapter we present the Bible evidence proving that the full end of the times of the Gentiles, i.e., the full end of their lease of dominion, will be reached in A.D. 1914; and that that date will be the farthest limit of the rule of imperfect men. And be it observed, that if this is shown to be a fact firmly established by the Scriptures, it will prove:

    Firstly, That at that date the Kingdom of God, for which our Lord taught us to pray, saying, "Thy Kingdom come," will obtain full universal control, and that it will then shortly be"set up," or firmly established, in the earth, on the ruins of present institutions.

    Secondly, It will prove that he whose right it is thus to take the dominion will then be present as earth's new

    Ruler; and not only so, but it will also prove that he will be present for a considerable period before that date; because the overthrow of these Gentile governments is directly caused by his dashing them to pieces as a potter's vessel (Psa. 2:9; Rev. 2:27), and establishing in their stead his own righteous government.

    Thirdly, It will prove that some time before the end of A.D. 1914 the last member of the divinely recognized Church of Christ, the "royal priesthood," "the body of Christ," will be glorified with the Head; because every member is to reign with Christ, being a joint-heir with him of the Kingdom, and it cannot be fully "set up" without every member.

    Fourthly, It will prove that from that time forward Jerusalem shall no longer be trodden down of the Gentiles, but shall arise from the dust of divine disfavor, to honor; because the "Times of the Gentiles" will be fulfilled or completed.

    Fifthly, It will prove that by that date, or sooner, Israel's blindness will begin to be turned away; because their "blindness in part" was to continue only "until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in" (Rom. 11:25), or, in other words, until the full number from among the Gentiles, who are to be members of the body or bride of Christ, would be fully selected.

    Sixthly, It will prove that the great "time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation," will reach its culmination in a world-wide reign of anarchy; and then men will learn to be still, and to know that Jehovah is God and that he will be exalted in the earth. (Psa. 46:10) The condition of things spoken of in symbolic language as raging waves of the sea, melting earth, falling mountains and burning heavens will then pass away, and the "new heavens and new earth" with their peaceful blessings will begin to be recognized by trouble-tossed humanity. But the Lord's Anointed and his rightful and righteous authority will first be recognized by a company of God's children while passing through the great tribulation--the class represented by m and t on the Chart of the Ages (see also pages 235 to 239, Vol. I); afterward, just at its close, by fleshly Israel; and ultimately by mankind in general.

    Seventhly, It will prove that before that date God's Kingdom, organized in power, will be in the earth and then smite and crush the Gentile image (Dan. 2:34)--and fully consume the power of these kings. Its own power and dominion will be established as fast as by its varied influences and agencies it crushes and scatters the "powers that be"--civil and ecclesiastical--iron and clay." --The Time is at Hand (1889), pp. 76-78.

    "Be not surprised, then, when in subsequent chapters we present proofs that the setting up of the Kingdom of God is already begun, that it is pointed out in prophecy as due to begin the exercise of power in A.D. 1878, and that the "battle of the great day of God Almighty" (Rev. 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1915, with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced." -- The Time is at Hand (1912 edition), p. 101 § 1

    "The Watch Tower, and its companion publications of the Society, for forty years emphasized the fact that 1914 would witness the establishment of God’s kingdom and the complete glorification of the church. During that period of forty years God’s people on earlh were carrying on a witness work, which work was foreshadowed by Elijah and John the Baptist. All of the Lord’s people looked forward to 1914 with joyful expectation. When that time came and passed there was much disappointment, chagrin and mourning, and the Lord’s people were greatly in reproach. They were ridiculed by the clergy and their allies in particular, and pointed to with scorn, because they had said so much about 1914, and what would come to pass, and their ‘prophecies’ had not been fulfllled.

    One wearing sackcloth usually puts it on himself. God’s people on earth, after the reproach that came upon them following 1914, put sackcloth upon themselves as an evidence of mourning. (Lam. 2 : 10) This is proven by what appeared in The Watch Tower." -- Light, Volume I, p.194.

    "The campaign is briefly, yet graphically, described in the prophecy, verses 40 to 44; and being completed in 1799, marks, according to the Prophet’s own words, the beginning of the “time of the end”." --The Harp of God, p.229

    "Twelve-hundred sixty years from A. D. 539 brings us to 1799-another proof that 1799 definitely marks the beginning of “the time of the end”." --The Harp of God, p. 230

    "There are two important dates here that we must not confuse, but clearly differentiate, namely, the beginning of “the time of the end” and of “the presence of the Lord”. “The time of the end” embraces a period from A. D. 1799, as above indicated, to the time of the complete overthrow of Satan’s empire and the establishment of the kingdom of the Messiah. The time of the Lord’s second presence dates from 1874, as above stated. The latter period is within the first named, of course, and at the latter part of the period known as “the time of the end”." --The Harp of God, p. 231

    "From and shortly after 1799, the date of the beginning of “‘the time of the end”, we should expect to find an increase of knowledge, particularly with reference to the Bible." --The Harp of God, p.232

    "This great increase of knowledge and the tremendous running to and fro of the people in various parts of the earth without question is a fulfillment of the prophecy testifying as to “the time of the end”. These physical facts cannot be disputed and are sufficient to convince any reasonable mind that we have been in “the time of the end” since 1799." --The Harp of God, p.234

  • recovering
    recovering

    Miracle wheat

    Aluminum pots deadly

    607 bc year of Jerusalem 's destruction

    Vaccinations unhealthy

    Heart is seat of emotion

    Are among a few that the wtbs has put forth in the past and proven to be false

  • jookbeard
    jookbeard

    the creators promises fulfilled by the end of the 20th century, what promises?

    you will never grow old in this present system of things

    the generation that lived in 1914, all dead

    why you should look forward to 1975.

  • Half banana
    Half banana

    A very good question Stephane and an excellent reply Bennyk.

    A big lie to demonstrate your point; from the 1950s or perhaps a bit later the slogan was that the generation which saw 1914 would also see the end of the "old system of things". The same lie for three generations during which time this carrot was dangled to the Watchtower donkeys who gave up their right to their own choice of life-style and served the Watchtower in mind word and deed. They never saw the promised reward, no because a Jehovah's Witness never does-- however the organisation became very rich by offering this false lure.

    I do find it almost impossible to find anything at all which the JW org has said which is actually true and useful to know. Virtually everything they say turns out to be false, a false hope. Whatever they say, preach or indicate will happen it is not worth believing or putting faith in since it is either plain wrong or it is sooner or later replaced with another dodgy belief which also has no practical value in knowing it.

    If you value freedom and sound reason: do not listen to Jehovah's Witnesses!

    Everything the JW org says is useless except for the purpose of HQ controlling the minds of their dumb followers.

  • StephaneLaliberte
    StephaneLaliberte

    Bennyk: To summarize, it is possible to demonstrate that the watchtower led their readers to believe that the JW thought things in the late 1800s that, in fact, they did not. Hence, they lied.

    Recovering: The the miracle weed was a lie in itself, it is a bit too old. However, I believe the willingness of the watchtower to deny such story would, in itself, be a modern lie. Aluminium, vacinations, hearts/emotions, these are things that the watchtower would not deny and will not uphold either. As for 607 for Jerusalem, the lie would not be the their belief in the date itself. It would be a lie if they claimed that a great number of historian share their belief. I don't think they do this now.

    Jookbeard/Half Banana: Making false prophecies would not be considered a lie, however, if they printed material that claim that they never made such prophecies, the lie would be them denying it.

    What I am trying to identify are lies that could be held against them in court. Hence, doctrinal beliefs that turned out to be false would not work. They are religious views. However, deliberately lying on which belief has changed and when would likely be presentable to a court.

  • lastmanstanding
    lastmanstanding

    Nice thread!

  • gone for good
    gone for good

    Vincent Tool (Australia) on record that there is no shunning.

    Jackson at ARC - presumptuous to claiming GB to be the sole channel to the divine - their favourite current and full time lie is the exact opposte stance and hence the need for total, absolute and blind obedience and loyalty from the rank and file.

    Lying about the significance of the numbers of the annointed going down now up.

  • ShirleyW
    ShirleyW
    I am interested in getting a list of lies that the watchtower has said or wrote in the past that could actually be proven to be as such, or, for the very least, deliberately misleading

    Then you would have to research the history of JWs from Day One( and don't forget the picture from the 1930's or 1940's with the Christmas tree in the Bethel cafeteria)

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