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  They have to step down

  by Gorbatchov in

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  with all the leaked information, it has to be a one way direction to the exit for the watchtower leadership and gb.. they can not stay.. it can take time, but this is the only scenario.. g..

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  Besides the ARC, what exactly are you saying will cause them to step down?
  I am with DJS on this. It doesn't really matter what comes out if they can say it is "the world" causing it.
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  Talked Higher Education with Mrs. OTWO

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  so i shared a facebook video from newsbroke with my wife.

  you many agree or disagree with the points made in the video.

  please, don't make this about that.

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  A few more page 2 replies-
  
  Flipper, I think Trump said "....the poorly educated." The word "poorly" is rather important to me. It comes from someone who had opportunities, but isn't necessarily applying what he was exposed to. It's important because of my wife's Masters Degree. She got through school, but doesn't apply any of the ways of thinking, just went for the documents. And it allows her to think she is not "poorly" educated.
  When we talked about whether she was conservative or liberal, she really had no clue. Nobody should have to be told what they are, but should figure it out on their own.
  
  sporece, we have discussed the delay of Armageddon. Of course it is around the next corner. Mainly, she has discussed what we are going to do at retirement. I have a decent pension and she has moved around in jobs too much to have anything but social security. I told her we should stay where we are when I retire and she can stay with her current school system until she has the minimum years for a pension. She says "NO WAY! I want to move to somewhere warm." She seems to think that all will be wonderful in retirement. Sometimes when she asks about "the plan," I say "Armageddon is supposed to arrive, you are supposed to keep your eyes simple. So don't worry about it." But really, I notice that she doesn't really believe the end will come in our lifetime, so she wants to enjoy her autumn years.

  Island Man, very good suggestions. She does seem to be of the mindset that education is the answer, she does need more reminders to push the JW mindset a wee bit further from the tip of her tongue.
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  My 71st Birthday Confessional

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  i was born january 15, 1947in mt.

  carmel hospital, detroit, michigan.. within six months of my birth, my mother would bundle her baby boy into a blanket and board an american airlines propeller-driven plane--in effect, leaving my father behind--to return to her hometown, ft. worth, texas.. my dad had an excellent job working for cadillac as an inspector.

  it was a union job.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Why am I writing this?

  
  Because that's what you do.
  Happy Birthday.
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  Jesus fulfilling old testament prophecies like his legs not being broken

  by Isambard Crater in

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  what are everyone's thoughts on this, how his legs weren't broken, he was pierced with a spear and he wore a thorny crown?.

  i'm pimo and very much not wanting to believe, but like the daniel statue prophecies, these ones about jesus stick in my mind and give me "hmmm, maybe" moments..

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  I sincerely believe that, like fictional movies and television that do not have to put up disclaimers because everyone knows its fiction, everyone pretty much knew back in the days that their religious story tellers were telling fictions without saying so.
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  Are You An Angry Exjw At This Point In Your Life?

  by minimus in

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  i’ve been here for many years.

  the tone seems to be different in this place.

  not so many pissed off exjws .

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  I have been here a long time with Minimus since he was the 7 Up Dot. He certainly would be talking of people like me. I was the angry ex-JW and have let much of it go.

  As time goes by, you realize that clinging to all your anger issues allows them to continue to "rent space in your head." Sure, my wife is still a JW, but carrying a chip on my shoulder constantly only serves to wreck my shoulder and does nothing to free my wife from the cult.

  We get that we cannot let go of every issue, and we don't belittle those whose closest loved ones shun them. But when we want some serenity, we have to let some things go.
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  Jesus fulfilling old testament prophecies like his legs not being broken

  by Isambard Crater in

  1. watchtower
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  what are everyone's thoughts on this, how his legs weren't broken, he was pierced with a spear and he wore a thorny crown?.

  i'm pimo and very much not wanting to believe, but like the daniel statue prophecies, these ones about jesus stick in my mind and give me "hmmm, maybe" moments..

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  IT's JUST A STORY!

  Hosea 11:1- "When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son."
  

  So when I write my gospel, I will make sure to include that somehow.
  

  Matthew 2:15- "where he stayed until the death of Herod. This fulfilled what the Lord had spoken through the prophet: 'Out of Egypt I called my Son.'"
  

  So another story goes-

  Exodus 12:46- In one house it shall be eaten; you shall not carry any of the flesh outside the house, nor shall you break one of its bones.
  

  Numbers 9:12- They shall leave none of it until morning, nor break one of its bones. According to all the ordinances of the Passover they shall keep it.
  

  Psalm 34:20- He guards all his bones; Not one of them is broken.
  

  The Israelites probably had no idea why they could not break the bones of the lamb. But they avoided doing it because God said not to do it.
  

  So when I write my gospel, I will make sure to include THAT somehow.
  

  John 19:36- For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
  
  If the OT said something that made people believe that the messiah definitely would have some feature or backstory, then a writer in later centuries would certainly want to mention those features or backstory, whether or not the events happened or if the backstory is totally fictional.
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  what big change could bring down the watchtower?

  by stan livedeath in

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  what single big change do you think could back fire and bring the cult down ?.

  me: tithing..

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  I don't see a death blow to bring down WT, but a chipping away at it.
  So it would have to be big- a sex scandal involving the Governing Body, A Rutherford-like coop but the new leader takes the money and runs,
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  Talked Higher Education with Mrs. OTWO

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  so i shared a facebook video from newsbroke with my wife.

  you many agree or disagree with the points made in the video.

  please, don't make this about that.

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  OneGenTwoGroups, thanks. Others, remember we are not here to argue over the video. Feel free to disagree, but we are talking about an interaction between a fader and his JW wife.
  
  Stillin, I love George's comments on politics.
  
  Old Navy, very difficult to unravel indeed. Keep hope alive.
  
  Diogenesister, It truly is.
  "Education is not preparation for life; education is life itself." -John Dewey
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  Talked Higher Education with Mrs. OTWO

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i shared a facebook video from newsbroke with my wife.

  you many agree or disagree with the points made in the video.

  please, don't make this about that.

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  Ruby456 said "...my own feeling is that they would be miserable without their hopes."
  That may be so. Still, my own feeling is that everyone deserves to know the truth about the lies in Watchtower and start from there. Some will never be able to handle it, but for many it is just assumed and we need to find out. Just the same, I get what you are saying.

  scratchme1010, thanks.
  
  TD, I like being reminded of two steps forward, one step back. I think there was a step forward there.

  LV101, here's hoping they will start hearing reality.
  
  Old Navy, my wife is an elementary teacher. She seems comfortable thinking above the third grade level. Smart, but not deep. I actually asked her about learning some basics in politics in order to understand what people are talking about. This is about what was said on that: "Obama was a democratic liberal. Trump is not all that conservative, but ran as a Republican. They are typically conservative. People will argue what each one of those means, but you can decide for yourself. Generally, liberals believe in individual rights and social programs for helping people while conservatives believe that people need to help themselves without so many social programs. Conservatives may accuse liberals of just offering handouts to people and liberals may accuse conservatives of being prejudiced and very Bible-oriented."
  
  She asked if she herself was considered liberal or conservative. I told her that the vast majority of black people are considered liberal, but that Jehovah's Witnesses would be considered conservative based on clinging to Bible values about modern things.
  
  I think this gives you an idea how she is not really thinking for herself, just riding along on this planet knowing that the end is near.
  
  Wild Thing, I try, I try.
  
  Jrjw, she totally shuts down on doctrine. It's a no-go with her. I generally use the methods prescribed by Steve Hassan in his books, to make her think without triggering any cult stuff. Just once in awhile, I connect the dots back to the cult after she thinks about a thing. I maybe should not do that so much.
  607 BCE to a JW with a closed mind is like discussing string theory with a poet. They don't care and it doesn't change anything they understand.
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  Would You Go To A Memorial Service For A JW )if you were no longer attending the KH)?

  by minimus in

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  some of my old jw friends are sickly and getting on in age.

  so far, i’ve only gone to my mother’s memorial and have avoided the kingdom hall altogether.... your thoughts please?.

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  Funerals are for comforting the living. If I feel that I am comforting an important loved one, I will go to a Kingdom Hall arrangement.
  
  My JW wife was rather insistent that I get off work and travel halfway across the country and be by her side for her father's JW memorial arrangement. Of course I did it. And it had the potential to be disastrous for me, being that it was held where all the older men knew me and many were instrumental in my becoming a JW elder before I moved away. But I managed to keep the men at a distance.
  
  If my step-father attends a memorial for my JW mother, I will be there for him and any others that I care for.
  If she is the last to go, I will probably arrange a standard funeral home thing, but not exclude the JW's that were a huge part of her life. But I wouldn't let them do the eulogy, I would arrange for a neutral person to actually talk about her and not the hope for everlasting life.
  
  If my JW wife dies ahead of me, I am certain to do similarly as above- funeral home, neutral talk about her.
  
  I have pretty much decided to skip Kingdom Hall memorials for people in the cult that I knew. I am more of a distraction than a comfort. But if someone requests my presence, I will consider it.