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  Talked Higher Education with Mrs. OTWO

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i shared a facebook video from newsbroke with my wife.

  you many agree or disagree with the points made in the video.

  please, don't make this about that.

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  Ruby456 said "...my own feeling is that they would be miserable without their hopes."
  That may be so. Still, my own feeling is that everyone deserves to know the truth about the lies in Watchtower and start from there. Some will never be able to handle it, but for many it is just assumed and we need to find out. Just the same, I get what you are saying.

  scratchme1010, thanks.
  
  TD, I like being reminded of two steps forward, one step back. I think there was a step forward there.

  LV101, here's hoping they will start hearing reality.
  
  Old Navy, my wife is an elementary teacher. She seems comfortable thinking above the third grade level. Smart, but not deep. I actually asked her about learning some basics in politics in order to understand what people are talking about. This is about what was said on that: "Obama was a democratic liberal. Trump is not all that conservative, but ran as a Republican. They are typically conservative. People will argue what each one of those means, but you can decide for yourself. Generally, liberals believe in individual rights and social programs for helping people while conservatives believe that people need to help themselves without so many social programs. Conservatives may accuse liberals of just offering handouts to people and liberals may accuse conservatives of being prejudiced and very Bible-oriented."
  
  She asked if she herself was considered liberal or conservative. I told her that the vast majority of black people are considered liberal, but that Jehovah's Witnesses would be considered conservative based on clinging to Bible values about modern things.
  
  I think this gives you an idea how she is not really thinking for herself, just riding along on this planet knowing that the end is near.
  
  Wild Thing, I try, I try.
  
  Jrjw, she totally shuts down on doctrine. It's a no-go with her. I generally use the methods prescribed by Steve Hassan in his books, to make her think without triggering any cult stuff. Just once in awhile, I connect the dots back to the cult after she thinks about a thing. I maybe should not do that so much.
  607 BCE to a JW with a closed mind is like discussing string theory with a poet. They don't care and it doesn't change anything they understand.
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  Would You Go To A Memorial Service For A JW )if you were no longer attending the KH)?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  some of my old jw friends are sickly and getting on in age.

  so far, i’ve only gone to my mother’s memorial and have avoided the kingdom hall altogether.... your thoughts please?.

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  Funerals are for comforting the living. If I feel that I am comforting an important loved one, I will go to a Kingdom Hall arrangement.
  
  My JW wife was rather insistent that I get off work and travel halfway across the country and be by her side for her father's JW memorial arrangement. Of course I did it. And it had the potential to be disastrous for me, being that it was held where all the older men knew me and many were instrumental in my becoming a JW elder before I moved away. But I managed to keep the men at a distance.
  
  If my step-father attends a memorial for my JW mother, I will be there for him and any others that I care for.
  If she is the last to go, I will probably arrange a standard funeral home thing, but not exclude the JW's that were a huge part of her life. But I wouldn't let them do the eulogy, I would arrange for a neutral person to actually talk about her and not the hope for everlasting life.
  
  If my JW wife dies ahead of me, I am certain to do similarly as above- funeral home, neutral talk about her.
  
  I have pretty much decided to skip Kingdom Hall memorials for people in the cult that I knew. I am more of a distraction than a comfort. But if someone requests my presence, I will consider it.
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  Talked Higher Education with Mrs. OTWO

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i shared a facebook video from newsbroke with my wife.

  you many agree or disagree with the points made in the video.

  please, don't make this about that.

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  Ruby456, Mrs. OTWO is not happy. She is not living a fulfilling life by remaining a JW. Luckily, she is allowing her true self to shine through here and there. Her problem is that she is just stuck with believing their lies that she WILL BE HAPPIER IN THE FUTURE if she never gives up the misery that is the life of a JW.
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  Talked Higher Education with Mrs. OTWO

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i shared a facebook video from newsbroke with my wife.

  you many agree or disagree with the points made in the video.

  please, don't make this about that.

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  So I shared a Facebook video from Newsbroke with my wife. You many agree or disagree with the points made in the video. Please, don't make this about that.
  
  The point I am making is that my wife is not your typical JW despite her resolve to stay a JW. The point I was making is that my wife got her Master's Degree while married to me and attending Kingdom Hall. The point is that the person in the video is accusing the administration (and conservative society) of trying to condemn higher education.
  
  Here's the youtube of the same video:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAvA8gakl84

  My wife's comment was "Well, these are people who don't want others to ever become managers. They want them to forever be the low paid workers under the college-educated managers."
  
  She may wake up one day afterall. She may realize that the JW organization really is against her way of thinking about education.
  
  I came back with "Not every last person needs a college education, but I have learned that the answer to absolutely everything is education. We need education to overcome ignorance and further education leads to research to find answers to all problems."
  
  I went too far. She went back into JW mode and said how so much of higher learning does focus on unrealistic hopes of humans figuring things out. Oh well.
  
  
  
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  Why did the Governing Body come behind the curtain?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the movie the wizard of oz, while the whole yellow brick road gang was being addressed by the great and powerful wizard of oz, the dog toto ran off to the side, pulled back on a curtain, and showed that a normal-looking humbug of a person was operating cranks and levers.

  for a short while, the normal-looking man kept yanking levers and cranking cranks, and said into the microphone (which made the great and powerful wizard speak the same words) "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!

  i am the great and powerful wiz .

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  Two things- The latest Governing Body was stacked with "Ted Jaracz Yes-Men." He and the gang put a bunch of organizational ass-kissers in, so they could retain power with a voting block. WELL, THEY ARE FREE OF TED NOW, able to think for themselves, only they don't think for themselves.

  The second thing is that money is hemorrhaging like crazy. Large printing corporations are dead or near dead. Some money people at Watchtower are focused on managing the crisis by selling Brooklyn and now selling Kingdom Halls. They probably told the GB (the guys who don't think well for themselves) to re-invent Watchtower as a charismatic-leaders organization and to do it within a set time (like a decade or so) to abandon printing.
  They just forgot that these guys are not very charismatic.
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  Why the JW org should fail.

  by Half banana in

  1. watchtower
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  dr margaret t singer, a professor of psychology at berkeley university california has studied the experiences of 700 cult members.

  ''consciously and manipulatively, leaders and their trainers exert a systematic social influence that can produce great behavioral changes,'' said dr. singer.. .

  one of the ways the jw organisation exerts so much influence over its members is because it has created a culture sustained by constant propaganda, which polices itself according to how the leadership has moulded it.

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  Basically, it's a cult and the internet will further expose it's ways.
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  Kingdom Hall ... BURGER KING?

  by sparky1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i live in a very rural part of the northeastern united states.

  after 9 years of waiting, the local witnesses are getting their new kingdom hall.

  it is being built on a back road next to a sandpit.

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  Here's a fascinating page of different KH's
  
  https://www.pinterest.com/wgyasovsky/kingdom-halls-of-jehovahs-witnesses/
  
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  Watchtower and Awake in the cafeteria of my work place

  by StephaneLaliberte in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  someone at my workplace, i don't know who, is a jw and has been leaving magazines in the cafeteria.

  any suggestion as to what i could do?

  i thought of writing up a note stating: "to whoever is bringing these magazine: jw have broken up my family, please don't bring religion to work.

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  Get some stickers that simply say "Get the real truth at jwfacts.com." Place them on all the literature. Place them on the surface where the literature is normally left.
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  Anyone struggle to find meaning in life?

  by Good JW in

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  just wondering if this is a common thing for you guys and girls?

  when i left the jws it was hard to make a connection with people, much of the time i felt that whatever they wanted to talk about just didn't seem relevant/deep/meaningful.

  i find myself filtering my mind to get to a level with others (small talk mostly).

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  FIND MEANING IN LIFE?
  
  Everyone who isn't living in crisis mode does that- crisis mode being a life where day-to-day living is too full of problems to allow for anything beyond getting through the day.
  
  Jehovah's Witnesses told me that life has a meaning and God has a purpose for me. That was all hogwash nonsense. So does that mean that life does not have a meaning? Sort of, but it doesn't have to be that way.

  Although many are selfish meanings, people can give their own life it's own meaning. You find a purpose. If it's to pass on wisdom to another generation and do your part to perpetuate your genes, so be it. If it's to leave earth a little cleaner for the next generation, to save the puppies, to rid the earth of ignorance of some subject, etc. etc. etc. so be it then too.
  
  I had a longer answer at my fingertips to type, but I think you can figure out the rest.
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  What Is The Major Reason Jehovah’s Witnesses Exist?

  by minimus in

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  i understand that cults and religious groups will always exist.

  but why do jehovah’s witnesses continue as a religion that people will join?.

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  Well, people are barely "joining" it today. It's mostly some of the children of members joining because of pressure from family and growing up in it and not knowing better.

  But since there are still some adult recruits joining, and since I was an adult when I joined, I will try to answer. Granted, my joining was preceded by childhood exposure to the beliefs as the only religious training I received, but I can still try to answer.
  I joined because I was in a state of emotional turmoil. I needed some kind of comfort, and the JW's had a false offer of that comfort. Some would join for answers to their problems, be they substance abuse, loneliness, boredom, some may join because of what JW's seem to have- instant answers to everything with their paradise and destruction of the wicked.