OnTheWayOut

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  Did electrical energy evolve or was it created?

  by atomant in

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  2. beliefs

  lt appears this topic has not been debated.energy has to come from something it doesn't come from nothing..

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  OnTheWayOut

  This is just a back-door way to preach Creation.
  
  
  
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  I am getting disfellowshipped

  by CitizenofEarth in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  maybe some of you remember me, maybe not.

  for general information i am now 19 years old, and living by myself.

  for the past 1 year (more like 1.5 years) i have been quietly fading out of the hypocrisy of this organization, but since i still live in the town i grew up in it has been hard, and filled with different challenges.

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  OnTheWayOut

  I join the chorus of voices.

  Congratulations on sticking up for your friends and not giving the elders any power over you.

  And I would also say anything you want to teach them, prove to them, whatever, is falling on closed minds. Better to keep giving them no power by not showing up.

  If you must go, you do it for yourself, not for them.
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  My father also molested my DAUGHTER!

  by alamb in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  needing advise.

  i was on here years ago fighting for custody of my daughters.

  the court gave us a joint arrangement.

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  OnTheWayOut

  I don't know that you have any case or not. Try talking to the law group that tries to MAKE these into cases instead of one that may or may not be trying such:
  
  http://zalkin.com/what-we-do/sexual-abuse-cases/jehovahs-witness-abuse/
  
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  Talking Janet Jackson and Religious Freedom with the Wife

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my recent sidewalk discussion with a couple of jw's has gotten me in the mood to say more when appropriate.so the wife and i were riding in the car and cat stevens comes on.

  i mentioned to her that cat stevens left music when he was still popular and converted to islam back in the 1970's- how he was told that his music would have to be morally acceptable and he found it easier to just abandon making new music for at least 20 years.

  so i didn't really remember all the details and i figured the conversation would die.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Etude, I couldn't always speak this stuff with my wife, and I have to tread carefully much of the time still. But time and drops of water wear down all things.
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  Elders WILL be removed ...

  by The Fall Guy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ..............if their child pursues higher education and lives on campus.

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  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/7ob4wa/interesting_tidbit_from_elders_school/?st=jc214ok2&sh=cfa8af95.

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  OnTheWayOut

  What a grand excuse to get out of eldering. "Sorry, boys. My kid's going to college. I will sit down and be a regular publisher. Last I heard, it's not a judicial matter. See ya."
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  JW's - Do you follow pagan practices?

  by The Fall Guy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  w95 5/15 p. 19 part 1—flashes of light - great and small: “jehovah’s witnesses do not celebrate birthdays because these observances have pagan origins and tend to exalt the ones having a birthday.” (jw broadcasting doesn't exalt the gibbering body??????).

  in order to be “faithful in what is least” and to “stop touching the unclean thing,” j.w.

  's should abhor & shun all of the following traditions and practices due to their pagan/demonic origins - especially using the names of weekdays and several of the names of months.. “it was believed that sneezing was the way for the body to rid itself of the devil's evil influences.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Every friggin thing on the planet that has it's origin from a time before the Roman Catholic Church was established is pagan.

  A pagan is "a person holding religious beliefs other than those of the main world religions."
  IOW: "a person who is not religious or whose religion is not Christianity, Judaism, or Islam."
  
  For objects or events, "Pagan" means that the thing is "of or related to Pagans."
  
  You can't win once you go down that road.
  Sure, we all understand Easter, Mardi Gras, Halloween, even the stuff done on birthdays. But common doors have the sign of the cross:
  
  
  I am sure dancing has origins in mating rituals.
  Chocolate comes from Aztecs who used a bitter chocolate drink in their religious ceremonies.
  
  You can't win.
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  CL&M part Jan 4 - annual meeting service report - our outstanding experiences

  by loneranger in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this was the first part in the "living as christians" section of the meeting tonight.

  speaker had two pioneers on the stage to relate their outstanding experiences for 2017. we have 23 pioneers and over 160 publishers in the hall.

  our territory is densely populated with single family houses, apartments and condominiums.

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  "I found a man in the door to door work. When I tried to find him at home later, he never answered. But I was determined to be persistent and not give up. Finally I found him at home again and started a doorstep Bible study."

  "Of course he hasn't answered since.....but I counted a Bible study at least once, and if he answers ever again, I will count it again."

  The problem with comparing these local experiences to Assembly experiences is that you don't get the C.O. to ask you to exaggerate because your experience will also represent a conglomerate of all the circuit experiences.
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  Why do ex-JW's talk so much about being ex-JW's?

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  is it because we were in the cult watchtower compound that we talk about being ex-jw's when we stop being active?

  i have never heard anyone say that i was an ex-catholic or an ex-lutheran or an ex-baptist.

  they just stop going to their church and don't talk about it.. years after not stepping inside a kingdom hell, many of us still have to talk about being ex-jw's.

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  Even though there are ex-Catholics, ex-Protestants and the like, they are able to drift away from church. Most churches don't pile up rules for everyday life upon members and they certainly don't shun members who don't live up to a certain standard. But even though their former religion isn't quite like the cults of the Mormons or JW's, I have heard former Catholics and the like call themselves exes.
  
  Jews don't typically stop calling themselves Jews because they are ethnic Jews when they stop being religious Jews. I have seen Jews saying they are "ethnic Jews only" when I saw them eating a ham sandwich.
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  Since leaving the JW Organization, who is believing?

  by Issa in

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  2. friends

  i left the jw organization last year during summer.

  maybe some of you can relate.

  who of you are agnostic or an atheist?

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  OnTheWayOut

  Between learning what science has to say about the impossibility of a global flood, and then learning how the Bible came about, adding in generally learning how every religion was created by men, I was heavily leaning atheistic.
  
  I was pushed over the edge by reason on compassion. 2004's Indian Ocean tsunami woke me up further than most things- randomly killing a hundred thousand children. The Haiti earthquake can be added to that. Regardless of how we got here, there is not a god worthy of our groveling in worship if that is what he allows.

  Science seeks the answers. God is a cope-out answer.
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  Did You Go To Meetings in Very Inclement Weather?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  living in new england means having lots of snow and cold.

  elders were very reluctant to cancel or reschedule a meeting due to the weather.

  i lived 3 towns away from the kingdom hall and if it was icy and treacherous my vote would always be to cancel the meeting....and forget about rescheduling!.

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  OnTheWayOut

  I was with a group of reasonable elders. They cancelled meetings due to weather rather easily.