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  Brooklyn Daily Eagle: Jehovah's Witnesses sell The Towers, a storied Brooklyn Heights hotel

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  http://www.brooklyneagle.com/articles/2017/11/1/jehovahs-witnesses-sell-towers-storied-brooklyn-heights-hotel.

  jehovah's witnesses sell the towers, a storied brooklyn heights hotel.

  the jehovah's witnesses have sold the towers, a storied brooklyn heights hotel.

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  OnTheWayOut

  The BORG, which stood for Brooklyn ORGanization, will remain like the fictional Star Trek race of conquerors in many ways. Maybe we will keep the B for "Billions." Ha.
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  San Francisco Giants vs. Kansas City Royals - World Series Winners ?

  by flipper in

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  once again for the 3rd time in 5 years my favorite baseball team the s.f.

  giants are headed to the world series !

  so who do you think will win this years series and your reasons for your predictions ?

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  Game 7 was really about the first 2 innings for Houston. They got the better of the starting pitcher and then kept it exciting enough the rest of the game.

  But the Dodgers- inning after inning of leaving men on base. WOW! Things could have changed at any time, but it was a great game for the fans.
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  Witnessing Just After Sunrise

  by Iamallcool in

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  about everytime i go to the grocery store just after sunrise, i can see the witnesses sitting and waiting inside their cars to distribute literature.

  it is not against the law for them to do that.

  i was wondering do they allow parking lot witnessing in your area?.

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  The one that gets me in a big city is seeing them inside the buildings and tunnels of commuter train systems. Of course they don't belong there.
  
  As for parked car witnessing. I remember a JW motioning me over to the car as I was walking on the sidewalk. It was a public street, so no private/public parking issue. When she asked me if I would like to read the Watchtower and Awake, I lit into her a little bit.
  "You wave me over for that? Maybe you should get out of the car and try to engage people where they walk instead of just sitting there." ....and I walked away.
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  In 1923 I Almost Died

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  in 1923 i almost died.. don't get me wrong, i wouldn't even exist for another 44 years.. for a few seconds, on top a building, my grandfather stood with tears running down his cheeks and a small caliber pistol in his right hand.

  if he had pulled the trigger, not just one man--one very depressed and hopeless man--would die; he'd take with him the four children his wife would never carry, their children (including me) and so on.

  all of my children and grandchildren would never exist stretching off into the darkness of eternity itself.. it was on the way back from seagoville, near dallas, my grandfather told me about it the day he drove out to the prison where i was to be released on parole.____.

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  If I wanted to exercise my author skills, I would tell the long version of my ALMOST DIED story, mine being 1929.

  Here's the short version.
  
  My grandfather's family was going to move from Chicago, IL. to somewhere in California. Grandpa was just a kid. All was set. They sold the house and had a check in hand. The crash happened, the banks failed- THAT VERY DAY! If they had not sold the house, they would still have the house and sold it at a later time. They could have moved later. If they had sold the the house sooner, they would have had cash money in hand. They would have gone to California. Instead, they had no house and a worthless check in hand.

  So they did not leave Chicago. They moved in with family. The rest is how Grandpa met Grandma and my father was born later in Chicago.
  
  Grandpa told that story now and again (after Grandma passed away). I think he wondered more than anyone else what life would have been like. Those of us listening knew life would not have existed for us.
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  What can the leadership at Watchtower do to turn things around?

  by UnshackleTheChains in

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  let's play devils advocate here.. put yourself in the governing body's shoes.

  they are well aware of all the issues they are facing.

  they know their numbers (they 'do the math' as they say in the us).

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  Watchtower is calendar and money-driven. Watchtower is a literature printing company in an era where printing is almost dead. Many print magazines have gone online in the hopes that people will pay for them on their tablets. That has not gone well.

  I don't have the answer to "turn things around" in the long run, but I see a replay of 1975. When they declared (but did not declare) that the end of the world was coming, it was a replay of times before when they managed to come out ahead. In 1976, they had financed the modernization of presses and they gained more members than they lost over the issue. As a matter of fact, they gained more members than they ever would have if they had not done their Armageddon play.

  So I see 2034 as their next big play. Membership recruiting is DEAD right now. The only real growth is from a small portion of the children who grew up in it. They will not really, in the computer age, change their recruiting of adults, but I see them trying to retain more kids. The vast difference between this Armageddon declaration and those of the past is that this one will kill them when it fails. So I see them using it as a way to focus more on taking more money from the members than actually growing in membership.
  
  After the fail, they will be like Scientology- rich in property and/or money but with a small membership. And maybe the Governing Body members will take the money and run. Or maybe they will encourage members to get married and have lots of children so they have a "next generation" to attend meetings. I doubt either of those. More likely, they will use their financing to try to become some kind of internet religion and sell ALL the Kingdom Halls.
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  Asking for help with wife

  by Are you serious in

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  hello everyone, my wife wants nothing to do with my awakening.

  every time i try explaining something she tells me she doesn't want to hear it.

  i believe she's afraid of learning something she's not ready for.

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  There are so many of us in your situation- the mate who woke up trying/hoping for change in the other mate.

  I had to let it go and just lightly hit at the doctrine now and again. Mostly, I point out things in daily life and politics where people choose to close their eyes to the clear and obvious truth of matters. Mostly, I help tug at my wife's emotions about doing the right thing and how it would be wrong to "shun" family over petty differences. Hugely, I point out problems in the news with Muslims, Mormons, Christian groups, the like- without directly mentioning JW's.
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  ANECDOTE of the DAY (a Rabbi on God's slaying of humans)

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  anecdote of the day.

  _________i spoke with a certain rabbi every morning for over a year and a half.we were at a starbucks along with a table filled with all sorts of fellows.

  they were mostly immigrants.

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  So I woulda said, "We are not each just a worthless canvas. Parents do not have the right to slaughter their children. If you think it's more than that, then I would have to say the creator of something more than feelingless canvas has some responsibility to reveal himself to the ones he is about to slaughter in order for them to defend their actions or change them if that were proper."
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  Why is there such a 'high turnover' within the Jehovahs Witnesses?

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. jw
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  i happened to come across a time article in 2008. it was basically talking about the high turnover in american faiths.

  it mentioned the jdubs and highlighted the following point.. an even more extreme example of what might be called "masked churn" is the relatively tiny jehovah's witnesses, with a turnover rate of about two-thirds.

  that means that two-thirds of the people who told pew they were raised jehovah's witnesses no longer are — yet the group attracts roughly the same number of converts.

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  LongHairGal:
  OTWO:
  Actually, it was me who said that. I was responding to Starry Night.

  I stand corrected. Well said.
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  Why is there such a 'high turnover' within the Jehovahs Witnesses?

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. jw
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  i happened to come across a time article in 2008. it was basically talking about the high turnover in american faiths.

  it mentioned the jdubs and highlighted the following point.. an even more extreme example of what might be called "masked churn" is the relatively tiny jehovah's witnesses, with a turnover rate of about two-thirds.

  that means that two-thirds of the people who told pew they were raised jehovah's witnesses no longer are — yet the group attracts roughly the same number of converts.

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  On p. 2, STARRY NIGHT said:
  I was led to believe that the Witnesses had some special knowledge about the Bible. I was into end-times prophecy. Of course, in time, I learned that they knew nothing that the other religions didn't know.

  Same for me. So much has been said, but the answer is the same whether someone figured it out or left to pursue a love affair or got hooked on drugs- they did not find what they needed abd started looking elsewhere.
  
  
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  Learning To Believe Again

  by The_Seeker in

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  i was raised a jw and left the organization when i was 18 years old.

  many thought i left because i wanted to live a life full of drugs, sex, and rock and roll, which was not true at all.

  i left because i realized that these people had no idea what they were talking about and were simply parroting what the, " society " , told them to believe.

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  You told us your story very well. Thanks, and sorry about your JW family stull in bondage. Most of us can relate in many ways.

  I am confident that Watchtower and its men only have the power over us that we give them, so we must learn not to give them any.

  Most here are seekers on their own path. My path, which includes atheism, is also a spiritual one. I see some religions as pacifiers. The good "in" them is really from good people.