https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wktxjuyiat4.
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My buddy, JRK went with me to see/hear Jason Bonham's Led Zeppelin Experience, Cheap Trick, and Foreigner in late August, then we went to another venue for Edgar Winter, Alice Cooper, and Deep Purple.
The Led Zep experience and Cheap Trick were top notch, and Foreigner was good.
Edgar Winter was top notch.
Deep Purple- the music was awesome and the vocalist was okay.
Alice Cooper is like a crazy show more about theatrics, but still fun and familiar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-Z6Ar814t8
elder and his wife build a flash house.. they go on the stage at an assembly and give an experiences of how they sold the flash house to simplify their life so they can go pioneering.. the real story.. elder and wife can't afford the flash house and have to sell it he never goes pioneering she does until they are declared bankrupt.. why were they bankrupt?.
the money leaft over from the flash house they invested in a yet to be build apartment and the developer goes bankrupt takeing their money.. just one of many.. karter..
NewYork44M:
Thanks for the clarification. I wonder why the C.O. is promoting fiscal irresponsibility and stupidity.
It sounds like this family has not a lick of sense related to finance. I found that most problems the r&f faced were of their own making.
I typed more and it disappeared.
Anyway, they probably cannot find actual, good, upbuilding experiences, so they had to take this one and put the "spin" on it. And, we have learned that this is very very common.
as we have seen, the society has so smoothly rolled out the rebranding of the organization in just a few short years!.
(in fact, i remember a thread post here a few years back, where it was mentioned that all halls are going to get the jw.org signs on them.
it was initially laughed off and doubted) https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/279409/jw-org-signs-put-on-all-kingdom-halls-new-directive.
We're not talking fried chicken here. People could easily go to the internet to learn about KFC and how it started in Kentucky. But not very likely. It's just fried chicken.
But they will go to the internet and learn about jwdotorg and where it came from. They will stumble upon jwfacts or some other negative links. It's more important to them than KFC.
elder and his wife build a flash house.. they go on the stage at an assembly and give an experiences of how they sold the flash house to simplify their life so they can go pioneering.. the real story.. elder and wife can't afford the flash house and have to sell it he never goes pioneering she does until they are declared bankrupt.. why were they bankrupt?.
the money leaft over from the flash house they invested in a yet to be build apartment and the developer goes bankrupt takeing their money.. just one of many.. karter..
Maybe it's lost in the culture. I had no idea what a "flash house" is, so the internet tells me it's a brothel.
I don't think some elder had and sold a brothel.
So what is it?
return of the dub (plus surprise guest)dealing with just one frisky, bright-eyed jehovah’s witness is a handful.one on one is manageable.
two jw’s is more like juggling chainsaws or french kissing alligators.i had a return visit the other day and now, the jw was returning the 2nd time, but with another dub.what would my strategy be?
that’s how the day was spent.
You must have just kept interrupting them and not letting them make their point. Because any JW could answer that the difference between the destruction at the Flood and at Armageddon is that Jehovah has since sacrificed Jesus for our sins and we won't be continuing on as sinful humans after the next destruction of the wicked, but must apply that sacrifice and then we will have our unintentional sinfulness removed, which never happened to Noah's offspring.
And then, "Well, why did God do it back then if He hadn't sacrificed Jesus yet?"
Because the world was TOO wicked and it was part of preparing the way for Jesus to be born into the world.
It doesn't even have to make sense to the brain, what JW's will say. But they know how to say it.
If the dialogue wasn't an exercise in just constantly barraging them with piled on thoughts, then it was your exercise in creative writing, because I am confident that JW's today, no matter how bad they have gotten, will think they could answer such questions.
september 7, 2017 to all congregations in the united states branch territory re: donations for disaster relief work.
Ronnie Reagan said: "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"
......but "We're the Governing Body and give us your money" are nine of the saddest words.
in my kingdom hall people see me as rude but to me i dont understand how.for me having to talk to adults is not bad but for me its one thing if i dont know you and so i have my guard up at all times and i have a fuck off tone in my voice.but some of the brothers seem they like kids to much.. one more thing i have the a fuck off tone some times is because a lot of brothers i kinda know (hint kinda know) ask me about my school life.what i mean is not ''hey how's school?
'' i mean and im not joking when i say i have been asked.
''so have you had to turn down any girls yet?
Many elders think they can cross boundaries that are really inappropriate.
I think your attitude is fine for such questions, and I wish more JW's would be able to do that.
In your case, the elders are probably hoping to get some juicy stuff that perverts like to hear about teen girls.
These people are not going to be your friends in the future, so screw them.
it's only a matter of time of course..... jw rumor mills will start up soon, with stories of how jws were "first on the scene" as the flood waters receded..... how the red cross and/or us national guard and/or doctors without borders and/or [you name it] were marveling at just how "organized" the jws are..... how zealous jws were pulling their trolleys thru ankle-deep water to "offer comfort" to victims, by giving them - sandwiches?
bottled water?
to offer them comfort by giving them 16 page "magazines" to read in their spare time..... so as the stories start to come in, you can "deposit" those little nuggets of bs here.. once collected, we'll wrap them in a pretty bow and flush them away where other instances of pure manure go..
I am passionate about this because it has so deeply affected me.
Hurricane Hugo in South Carolina was a chance for individual JW's to show their love and compassion. I lived there and lost my car to a tree falling on it, and the trailer I rented fell off it's blocks. There was no "approved brothers" requirement and no "money-only" request at the time.
JW's came with chain saws and power tools and lumber and clothing and food. Some JW's from North Carolina donated an older car to me, and I drove it for years. I had a cabinet full of canned goods. And the "ear-marked" money donated to WTS was in excess because most volunteers brought their building supplies or bought them with the cash from passing the hat. So the excess- they asked any if they were out of work or otherwise lost revenue and valuables. I was given a check for approximately 2 weeks worth of work. They had to spend it on the disaster, as it was ear-marked. There was no asking victims for their insurance money.
I went to Hurricane Andrew relief and it was similar, but WTS started buying the building material and organizing the work load. Still, it seemed a good idea. But after that disaster, I could tell that things were different and they went too far. DO NOT DONATE CLOTHING AND FOOD AND CARS AND STUFF. That was too far.
ONLY APPROVED BROTHERS WILL GO IN AND HELP. I think JW's go in anyway without that process, but then they have to face the wrath of not showing love the Watchtower way.
it's only a matter of time of course..... jw rumor mills will start up soon, with stories of how jws were "first on the scene" as the flood waters receded..... how the red cross and/or us national guard and/or doctors without borders and/or [you name it] were marveling at just how "organized" the jws are..... how zealous jws were pulling their trolleys thru ankle-deep water to "offer comfort" to victims, by giving them - sandwiches?
bottled water?
to offer them comfort by giving them 16 page "magazines" to read in their spare time..... so as the stories start to come in, you can "deposit" those little nuggets of bs here.. once collected, we'll wrap them in a pretty bow and flush them away where other instances of pure manure go..
Grreat Teacher: I can't imagine people just getting a patch, a lick and a promise, and then donating the entire check amount.
Please tell me people don't actually do that.
Yes. To be fair, for the most part, JW volunteers are organized by professionals when it comes to roof repair and the like. So the work is typically not just a "lick and a promise." But there is no guarantee that it is up to building code and the insurance money is supposed to be used to put it back up to the quality (or better than) it was before the damage. And again, you will have little choice in the style, color, quality of the building materials.
And sometimes, it will be just the lick and a promise. I saw JW's after Hurricane Hugo leaving tarps on their roof for a year because they said that was good enough to stop the rain. And they spent the insurance money on bills instead of the roof.
it's been about two months since i stopped attending meetings, came to the conclusion that the org is not the truth, and i'm currently dealing with some problems since leaving the org.
i want to discuss these problems and hopefully get helpful advice.. discovering the truth about ourselves is a lifetime's work, but it's worth the effort - fred rogers.
my current situation in this: i faded and hold off on writing a disassociation letter.
I will join the chorus of saying "Don't meet with the elders." You showed so much to your dad and he would follow up to be sure you met with them to show them the same things. And a computer slide presentation is a sure ticket to a judicial committee or at least a forced disassociation. Just insist to Dad that you are okay just leaving it be.
Part of fading to keep family relations is to know where to stop. Your mom was receptive to at least allowing you your point of view, but Dad not so much. So you may have to tell him, "I don't want to see the elders, but I will stop trying to show you my point of view, and we can just be family without this between us." You can probably literally lay it out for him. "I don't want to get disfellowshipped, I just want to be a family."
Other than not meeting with them, don't worry that you might bump into them or they might try to trap you into a meeting. Refuse to say anything beyond "I am fine" and chit-chat stuff. The moment any JW tries to get you into talking about Jehovah and meetings and YADDA YADDA, just go back to "I am fine. Call you if I need to. How about that [weather/sports team]?" They only have power over you if you give it to them.
Edited to add: Probably need to do the same with siblings as with Dad. Try "We don't need to talk about this" and then don't talk about the religion. You might still lose some people over your fade, but it's on them, not you. At least by ceasing to talk religion, they may be receptive to you in years to come when family needs to reach out to each other over family deaths, illnesses, weddings, etc.
