Posts by done4good

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Vinyl recordings of Rutherford etc

by veen in

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so i remember my grandmother having these old vinyl recordings with the dude ranting away.

do you think it would be worth me trying to getting hold of them, or are they already available in the public domain.

i wish i was a hardcore anti jw when i was younger 'cos i would listen to those beauties now, at the time i thought they were just boring.

done4good

Some 78 rpm TT's:

http://www.kabusa.com/index_tt.htm

j

btw, 78s are schelac(sp?), not vinyl.

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How Much Influence Did The Watchtower Have In Destroying Your Faith In God?

by The wanderer in

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how much influence did the watchtower have in destroying your faith in god?personally, i do not believe that a corrupt organization should destroy the belief .

or concept of a designer, god or creator.

in addition, because an organization .

done4good

I would agree with many of the above posters who cite access to information as the primary reason for my disbelief.

That said, one of things that came out of jwism, is the mindset, that religion and spirituality, if it is healthy, MUST be absolutely true. Of course, this is false, to debateable, at best. But nevertheless, we as ex-jws are suspect to this mindset. Where as most people, can just simply accept their belief, (from whatever religious background they have), as sufficient, even if flawed, the ex-jw tends to have a much more difficult time with accepting this type of thought. Religion was always taught to be absolute truth.

Because of this, we search for truth. Eventually, we discover, by hook or by crook, that absolute truth does not rest in religion, of any kind. I consider myself agnostic, borderlineing on atheist. In other words, if I MUST choose where I stand, I don't find any holy book definition of god, adequate. A deist's understanding of god, is so different from any holy book definition, however possible, that one could basically consider this definition of god irrelevant in real world terms. Hence, by that measure, I'm an atheist.

j

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Name Things Witnesses Make Big Deals Over

by minimus in

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have you ever seen a witness get absolutely giddy over placing a measly tract with a neighbor and get up on the platform and tell the "experience" of how the neighbor actually said that he'd read it!

big deal!!!.

in our hall, they loved to applaud over the dumbest things!

done4good

Facial hair- on men that is. Even I agree that facial hair on women is troubling.

Yeah, ironically they seemed to allow it on some sisters....

j

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Are JW's generally better than average people?

by JH in

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i for one, would blindly trust just about anyone on this forum, just the fact of knowing that you already were a jw.. does this mean that jw's in general are better people or are we a very close bunch of people?.

done4good

What was that word you called JWs.
Oh yes, I think it was liar.

Precisely.

j

Oh, and yes, if that biblical charcter Jesus witheld information, he was dishonest, too. Notice I didn't say he was WRONG. Just DISHONEST.

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Are JW's generally better than average people?

by JH in

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i for one, would blindly trust just about anyone on this forum, just the fact of knowing that you already were a jw.. does this mean that jw's in general are better people or are we a very close bunch of people?.

done4good

Witness don't have the proper understanding of "honesty".

Honesty is a good thing, but not always possible, or practical.

Witholding the truth IS dishonest.

Witnesses think it is OK to withhold the truth.

Witnesses ARE dishonest.

j

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Is a rapid graceful exit possible?

by besty in

we will find out soon.

as a brief update my wife sweet pea and i have 'announced' to a few friends and close family - less than 10 altogether - that we are no longer going to meetings.

some friends have probed for details, others don't want to know.

done4good

It really depends on your congo. The elders in my last hall really had too many issues to deal with inside, to even bother with someone who said they wished to be left alone. I know of several in that hall who did just that, (myself included). None had to d/a or were d/f'd. OTOH, I had elders looking for me, from a previous hall that I belonged to, when they heard of my apostate ways....Like I said, it depends...

j

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Gas prices soon to pass $4.00 mark

by free2beme in

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i remember last year, a lot of blame against the republican congress for doing nothing to stop big oil companies from raising prices.

democrats are in office now, and no one seems to be saying anything.

why are the democrats not being the night and shinning armor about gas prices?.

done4good

Y'know you are allowed to drive more efficient cars!
... that is what the rest of the world does anyway.

Even though, sense a bit of "stupid Americans", sentiment here, I can't disagree with Simon. The American public has largely done this to themselves, (or at least allowed the commercial auto giants, ((and not just Detroit, btw)), to do this to us. We really don't need cars that are getting <20 MPG. We just think we do. I'm no better at this than anyone else, although my next vehicle will almost certainly be a hybrid.

I don't neccesarily buy the "death of suburbia" argument, either though. Our energy problems ARE solveable. We need to get heads out of asses though, stop wasting time with "alternative sources", (at least as a total solution), and start looking into REAL, working, practical energy sources: i.e. nuclear. We made a fatal mistake in 1979 by ending our nuclear plant buildout. The rest of the world, (a good example is France), has accomplished quite a bit along these lines. We are still stuck in "China Syndrome" mode. We cannot afford to be.

Nuclear energy will make the electric cars, (not hybrids),finally practical. One of the major reasons for the conecptual abandonment of electric cars has to do with the fact, that most of our current energy sources in use now, (coal, hydroelectric, wind, solar, geothermal, tidal, and 20% nuclear), cannot meet the consumption needs of electric vehicles. A nuclear based infrastructure could easily meet the demand of electric vehicles, with almost infinate room for growth.

j

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What's your favorite breakfast dish?

by Frannie Banannie in

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for company, i'll fix a tender, flaky crust and bake a creamy, cheesy quiche with either, bacon, canadian bacon or ham and top it with diced tomatoes w/green chilies and sour cream.. but just by myself, i lurv to fix hot buttered toast, topped with egg over easy and tomatoes w/green chilies...yummy!.

what's your fav?.

frannie.

done4good

Corned Beef hash and eggs over easy- favorite.

When I'm in the typical "Jersey" breakfast mood, some good Taylor ham and eggs always works.

Learned also to enjoy country fried steak and eggs during my midwest stint.

j

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Time again for........ Congregation roll call

by Jourles in

it's been a while since this topic has been brought up.

use it as a chance to see if there is someone you might know from years past.

1973-1976 --- lakeside, ca??

done4good

Verona, NJ 1978-1994

Raytown, MO 1994

Back in Verona, 1995

Left Verona, to Passaic West, NJ 1995-1998

Millville, NJ 1998-2003

Back to Passaic West after separation from now ex-wife- 2004-2005

Moved to Millville Cong, started fade 2005

Moved to Palmyra, NJ and disappeared 2006

j

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Knocking Forum was closed on PBS today

by moshe in

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i started a new thread to discuss the knocking forum on pbs being locked this afternoon.

http://discussions.pbs.org/viewforum.pbs?f=203.

i saw some real understanding begin to develop about the plight of former jw's and the strict control placed over the independent thinking of active jw's by the watchtower society.

done4good

JW's and ex-JW's just have to be the most passionate people about their beliefs. I don't think PBS understands at all the can of worms they opened.

No, they don't. I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did.

j