Posts by detective

And defeat it they did! Could we not hear the mournful cry of "uncle!" coming from the Scarlet-coloured beast? How pathetic watching the disgusting thing beg for mercy from the ever powerful watchtower!
It's not as if the Watchtower got caught with it's pants down and ran sissy-style into hiding. No, in a strange, calculated attack the Watchtower decisively defeated the beast leaving only a few hapless churchgoers to stand as the most hated thing on the planet.
Uh, yeah, that's what happened.

No offense, Alward, but the sorry little loophole you've tried to offer the Tower is a piss-poor excuse. Ignorance of the law...blah blah blah. You've not yet explained how it is that they condemn all other churches for the exact same thing they did. They seemed to recognize just how wrong it was for other groups to affiliate in such a manner. Now they have selective amnesia?
Let's see: they met applied for and accepted affiliated status. Expectations were clearly outlined in a number of places. They didn't read the criteria? So we should assume what? That they are illiterate or just plain stupid? And when they met the criteria by writing articles that supported the UN, they weren't actually supporting the UN?
I see, it's all part of their diabolical plan to off the beast. Very tricky! Sadly, not a particularly good plan as the UN seems to still be actively functioning or maybe you hadn't noticed? Maybe they just aren't very good warriors in Jah's army?
You should consider trying to sell them your excuse. It might be the best one yet. It certainly beats the library card fiasco! It doesn't hold any water, mind you, but the JWs love a good technicality even when it defies logic. Good work. Would you care to write off the blood issue and that nasty pedophilia issue while you're at it?

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Borg Hypnosis?

by moman in

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i'm sure most of those on this illusterous board have read articles on brainwashing by the borg.

i think they are pros at subliminal suggestion & hypnosis.. consider the following on hypnosis: an altered state of consciousness brought about through an operator (borg), the hypnotist, who engages the attention of a subject (sheep) and assigns certain tasks (service etc.

) while uttering momotonous, repetitive verbal commands (meetings & talks).

detective

One of the few quasi-negative things my JW friend said about the organization: "lots of repetition".
He loves his mother organization and would not speak even somewhat ill of her unless it was absolutely unavoidable, so it's got to be bad if he's owned up to it.
Now if only he could make the next great leap in recognition and figure out why so much repetition!

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How Women are treated in the WTS - from the Awake!

by hawkaw in

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friends

below is a scanned article from the august 22, 1967 awake!

magazine that deals with women and why they don't hold positions of authority in the wachtower.

metatron brought this subject up a few months ago and someone was nice enough to give me the actual article.

detective

Hi Hawk,
I'm getting little red X's instead of the scans. I'm looking forward to reading these articles. My stomach is turning just thinking about them!

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UN/WTS SCANDAL IN USA NEWSPAPER

by hawkaw in

after much hard work a certain person has finally got the story published through a letter to the editor in the san bernardino sun.

you will find the article in the november 28, 2001 edition of the newspaper in the "opinion" section.

note the voice of the people section.

detective

Hi people.
I'm thinking that now might be a good time to once again note resources that have been contacted at least once about this issue. If you have a release or statement, please feel free to make use of these resources as the squeaky wheel syndrome might do us some good. The UN responded because they were inundated with contacts from interested parties (and Hawk, of course). I can only assume we're going to have to light a fire under one of these reporters by multiple contacts by many different people.

Christian Science Monitor:
Send the release to " [email protected] <mailto: [email protected]>" and direct it to the attention of David Cook, Editor
617.450.7034

Associated press:
[email protected] <mailto: [email protected]>
fax 212 621 7520

Boston Phoenix:
Please send letters to the editor, press releases, and article
commentary to [email protected] <mailto: [email protected]>

The Boston Globe:
"news tip from extranet" should be your email header.
[email protected] <mailto: [email protected]>

For the Boston Herald:
[email protected] <mailto: [email protected]>
Tips or comments call
(617) 619-6789

Newstips for The Cincinnati Post:
[email protected] <mailto: [email protected]>

Religion at the Cincinati Post:
[email protected] <mailto: [email protected]>

Kentucky Post (news tips):
[email protected] <mailto: [email protected]>

The Columbus Disptach, Religion editor:
[email protected] <mailto: [email protected]>

Managing editor of the Crescent News in Defiance, Ohio
[email protected] <mailto: [email protected]>

The KentuckyNew Era
[email protected] <mailto: [email protected]>
FAX 270-887-3222

These are the people Catholic Guy faxed:
LA Times 213-237-5000
FAX: 213-237-4712

NY Times 212-556-1234
FAX: 212-556-3690

NY Daily News 212-210-2100
FAX: 212-643-7831

NY Post 212-930-8500
FAX: 212-930-8540

Pittsburg Post Gazette 412-263-1100
FAX: 412-391-8452

Chicago Tribune 312-222-3232
FAX: 312-222-2598

Washington Post 202-334-6000
FAX: 202-496-3883

Brooklyn Heights Press (Brooklyn Eagle):
718-858-2300
FAX: 718-858-4483

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10 REASONS WHY JWS STAY IN THE TOWER

by Victor_E in

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reason 1. jws use a cultic language that keeps them in a constant state of social hypnosis.

transformational grammar teaches that our language directly affects our subjective experience.

in working with some former jws i had to confiscate certain words and have them create substitutes for something that was more neutral.

detective

I have to throw my support in for the significance of loaded language with JWs. When I was having a talk with my witness friend I would interupt him every now and again to ask him to come up with another word instead of the one he was using ("imperfect" being the word he kept bringing up- I wonder why!!) When I asked him to use a different word instead it would momentarily stump him and you could actually detect a change from cult persona to individual persona while he struggled to come up with his own terminology. It was pretty amazing to watch. I can't say this enough...loaded language is a big deal! If you want to interupt a cult members foray into the fog, getting them to change their language, even momentarily, will be a good way to disengage their cult persona. I realize this sounds fairly dramatic but sitting back and watching the result of interupting their loaded language really hit home to me how important the cult lingo is in keeping people indoctrinated.

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Press release: WT human rights violation

by Dogpatch in

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hello randy,.

the human rights organization i am affiliated is sending out this press release on human rights violation by the jehovah's witnesses.

it cites several united nation human rights documents.---john brown.

detective

Blue asked "...how did this cult which violates the most basic human rights of its followers get past the NGO accreditation process so easily? Hmmmmm."
I noticed on the global policy site that Hawk listed that the Moonies have also passed four different splinter groups off as NGOs. I don't know who put the global policy site up, nor do I have the link at the moment, but clearly the UN isn't doing a bang up job of screening it's NGOs. Worse case scenario, we could consider exploiting that angle in our attempts to stir up the media. It's a bit of dirty pool, but I'm beginning to lose my patience with the thought of the United Nations reps caring only about saving face. Ah, maybe I'm just having a Monday attitude. But it's an angle.
As for John's release, a good editing should help bring it into focus. I can definitely relate to needing a solid editor to step in and help me out! I'm not entirely sure what the main grievance is, nor am I sure what the main goal is, but with a little paring here and there it should really take a nice shape.
John's efforts should be applauded. When you've got many a concern about it can be hard to pick just a few points to put out there. Good luck with this, John. Don't underestimate the power of your outrage and your desire to be heard. If enough people keep yelling somebody is going to hear! Thanks for adding another voice! Where are you going to send this?

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No Tipping Hats to Women!

by ISP in

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friends

just noticed the thread with the lady sporting a panama so i thought it might be as well to reconsider hatiquette...er hat etiquette wts style............ *** w52 4/15 254-5 questions from readers ***.

questions from readers.

 is it proper for men to tip their hats to women?g.

detective

I'm wondering if they've since had any new light on hat tipping practices. Would tipping one's hat warrant a public or private reproof? I wonder.

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Who are the real, meaningful campaigners here?

by Celtic in

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friends

the people vs the organisation of the wtbts.

who are you specificly?

what would you like to see accomplished in the short, medium and long term strategic planning?.

detective

I assume you are asking us what we are really doing to help educate people in general about concerns with the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society and the countless people who have suffered needlessly due to this so called religion.

Who am I?
Something like nobody only not like that all (sort of).

I had a goal in a personal situation that has since been lost to me.

On a larger scale, I have tried to contribute to publicizing the United Nations scandal by contacting a variety of newspapers. Sadly, that has not been particularly successful either. However, I will probably continue to contribute in that manner as much as I possibly can.

I have no idea if I should hold out hope for either situation.