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how can we answer them?

by Cordelia in

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i've tried and i've tried now i need help, how do you answer:.

jws who think it's fantastic that jeh is providing this new light all the time, i say about the rev book amongst other things and they just think it's a sign they are in the right religon coz '''what other religon would admit it's faults?

'' doesnt matter they been studing wrong light last time!!.

Zico

JWfacts website has a good article but the new light doctrine: http://www.jwfacts.com/index_files/light.htm

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Anyone have this article they can copy to me?

by reneeisorym in

oct. 15th watchtower 2003, p. 11. .

several youths were looking for the true religion.

their search led them to discussions with the pastors of several evangelical groups, but the result was further confusion and disillusionment.

Zico

Not to worry, the JWs saved the day:

The Good News Bears Fruit in São Tomé and Príncipe

MOST people have probably never heard of São Tomé and Príncipe. These islands are not usually advertised in vacation brochures. On a world map, they look like tiny spots located in the Gulf of Guinea off the western coast of Africa, São Tomé sitting almost on the equator and Príncipe a little to the northeast. The rainy, humid climate has produced luxurious rain forests, covering the slopes of mountains that rise to over 6,600 feet [2,000 m].

These tropical islands, surrounded by blue waters and palm-fringed beaches, are inhabited by a friendly, warmhearted people, whose mixed African and European origins have resulted in a pleasant blend of cultures. The population of 170,000 is occupied with the main export, cacao, or with farming and fishing. In recent years, obtaining even the food for the day has been a challenge.

The last decade of the 20th century, however, witnessed one event that has greatly affected the lives of increasing numbers of people on these islands. In June 1993, Jehovah’s Witnesses were legally registered with the government of São Tomé and Príncipe, thus bringing to a close a long and often difficult chapter of the history of Jehovah’s Witnesses on these islands.

Seeds Sown Under Hardship

It appears that the first Witness came to this country in the early 1950’s when prisoners from other Portuguese colonies in Africa were sent to work in labor camps on the islands. The Witness, an African pioneer, or full-time minister, was deported from Mozambique because he preached the good news of God’s Kingdom in that land. This lone Witness kept busy, and within six months, there were 13 others who shared in spreading the good news. Later, other Witnesses under the same circumstances arrived from Angola. During their imprisonment, they seized every opportunity to share the good news with local inhabitants.

By 1966 all the brothers serving terms in São Tomé had returned to the African mainland. The small group of Kingdom publishers left behind carried on courageously. They were persecuted, beaten, and imprisoned because they met together for Bible study, and there was no one to visit or encourage them. The country achieved independence from Portugal in 1975, and slowly but surely the seeds of Kingdom truth began to bear fruit.

Expansion and Building

The very month of the legal registration in 1993, there was a peak of 100 Kingdom publishers. That same year, special pioneers came from Portugal. The efforts they put forth to learn Portuguese Creole endeared them to the local people. The search to find land for a Kingdom Hall then became a priority. Upon hearing of this need, a sister named Maria donated half the land on which she had her small home. The plot was big enough for a large Kingdom Hall. Maria did not know that because she had no surviving relatives, this property was being eyed by ambitious developers. One day a prominent businessman came to talk to Maria.

“What I hear about you is not good!” he warned her. “I hear that you donated your land. Don’t you know that it is worth a lot of money because it is right here in the city?”

“If I offered the land to you, how much would you pay me?” asked Maria. When the man did not answer, Maria continued: “Even if you gave me all the money in the world, it would not be enough because money cannot buy life.”

“You do not have children, do you?” the man asked.

To end the conversation, Maria said: “The land belongs to Jehovah. He lent it to me for so many years, and now I have given it back to him. I am looking forward to living forever.” Then she asked the man: “You do not have everlasting life to offer, do you?” Without saying one more word, he turned and walked away.

The result was that a splendid two-story building was constructed with the help of qualified brothers from Portugal. It has a full basement, a spacious Kingdom Hall, and living quarters. It also has classrooms for holding schools for elders, ministerial servants, and pioneers. Two congregations now have their meetings in it, making it a fine educational center for pure worship in the capital.

In Mé-Zochi, there was a congregation of 60 zealous publishers. Since meetings were held in an improvised Kingdom Hall located in a banana grove, the need for an appropriate Kingdom Hall became obvious. This was made known to city hall, and sympathetic officials offered a choice lot on the main street. A fine Kingdom Hall was built in two months with the help of brothers from Portugal, using the quickly built method. The local people could hardly believe what they saw. A Swedish engineer involved in a building project in the city was amazed to see the brothers and sisters in action. “This is unbelievable!” he remarked. “Jehovah’s Witnesses, here in Mé-Zochi, using a quickly built method! This is the way we should organize our project.” The Kingdom Hall was dedicated on June 12, 1999, with an attendance of 232. The hall has become a principal attraction for visitors to the city of Mé-Zochi.

A Historic Convention

A historic event for Jehovah’s Witnesses in São Tomé and Príncipe was the three-day “Divine Teaching” District Convention in January 1994—a first in these islands. It was held in the finest air-conditioned auditorium in the country. Can you imagine the joy of the 116 Kingdom publishers at seeing a crowd of 405 and for the first time watching Bible dramas and receiving convention releases? A tropical beach was the setting for the baptism of 20 dedicated persons.

A novelty that caught the attention of the public was the unique lapel badges worn by the delegates. The presence of 25 visitors from Portugal and Angola added international flavor to the convention. A bond of warm Christian love quickly developed, and tears rolled down the faces of many at the final session when they said good-bye.—John 13:35.

Journalists from the National Radio came and interviewed the convention overseer. They also broadcast excerpts of several of the discourses. It was indeed a historic occasion, and to these long-isolated faithful Witnesses, it helped to make Jehovah’s visible organization seem so much closer.

Bearing Fruit to Jehovah’s Praise

When the Kingdom message bears fruit, it produces fine conduct that brings praise and honor to Jehovah. (Titus 2:10) One teenage girl enjoyed what she was learning from her weekly Bible study. Her father, however, prohibited her from attending congregation meetings. When she respectfully explained to him the importance of Christian meetings and her desire to attend, he promptly expelled her from his home. Apparently, he thought that she would do what many other young people do—quickly move in with a man who would provide for her. When the father learned that she was leading an exemplary, chaste life as a Christian, he was moved to take her back and grant her complete freedom to serve Jehovah.

Another example is that of the leader of a musical group. He became disillusioned with his immoral way of life. While searching for a purpose in life, he was contacted by the Witnesses. When he started to live according to the moral standards of the Bible, he became the talk of the town. Soon he saw the need to end all unwholesome associations. (1 Corinthians 15:33) He then took the vital step of getting baptized in symbol of his dedication to Jehovah.

Several youths were looking for the true religion. Their search led them to discussions with the pastors of several evangelical groups, but the result was further confusion and disillusionment. Consequently, they became violent vagrants and scoffers at anything religious.

One day, one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, a missionary, was on his way to conduct a Bible study and came by the place where these young people were. The group wanted the missionary to answer some questions and led him to a backyard, where he was invited to sit on a small stool. What followed was a barrage of questions on such subjects as the soul, hellfire, life in heaven, and the end of the world. The Witness answered all their questions from the Bible that the gang leader lent him. An hour later, the leader, named Law, said to the missionary: “When we asked you to come and answer questions, our intention was to ridicule you, as we have done with people from other religions. We felt that no one could answer those questions. But you did, and you did it using just the Bible! Tell me, how can I learn more about the Bible?” A Bible study was started with Law, and soon he started attending meetings. Shortly after that, he abandoned the group and gave up his violent way of life. Within a year, he dedicated his life to Jehovah and was baptized. He is now serving as a ministerial servant.

One local custom that has become strongly entrenched is that couples simply live together without the benefit of legal marriage. Many have lived together for years, and they have children together. They find it hard to accept God’s viewpoint on the matter. It is heartwarming to see how God’s Word helped one person to overcome this obstacle.—2 Corinthians 10:4-6; Hebrews 4:12.

Antonio understood that he should legalize his marriage and made plans to do so after the corn harvest when he would have some money for the marriage feast. One night just before the harvest, thieves came and stole his crop. He decided to wait for next year’s crop, and once again it was stolen. When yet another attempt to obtain funds for his wedding failed, Antonio realized who his real opposer was. “Satan will not play with me any more,” he said. “In a month and a half, we will be married, with or without a feast!” So they were, and to their surprise their friends provided chickens, ducks, and a goat for the wedding feast. After registering their marriage, Antonio and his wife—along with their six children—were baptized in symbol of their dedication to Jehovah.

To Príncipe Island

Occasional visits to the 6,000 inhabitants of Príncipe have been made in recent years by the circuit overseer and pioneers from São Tomé. The islanders were most hospitable and eager to hear what the Witnesses had to say. After reading a tract left with him, one man looked for the pioneers the next day and offered to help them distribute more tracts. The pioneers explained that this was a work they should do, but the man insisted that he should accompany them from door to door so that he could introduce them to the householders with the recommendation to listen carefully. The man finally left, but not before commending the pioneers on the important work they were doing.

In 1998 two pioneers from São Tomé moved to Príncipe, and soon they were conducting 17 home Bible studies. The work continued to expand, and before long the Congregation Book Study averaged 16 in attendance, and more than 30 attended the public talk. The need for a meeting place was presented to city hall, and happily, land was granted to build a Kingdom Hall. Brothers from São Tomé volunteered to build a small Kingdom Hall that also has accommodations for two special pioneers.

Without a doubt the good news is bearing much fruit and increasing on these remote islands. (Colossians 1:5, 6) In January 1990 there were 46 publishers in São Tomé and Príncipe. During the 2002 service year, a peak of 388 Kingdom proclaimers was reached! Over 20 percent of the publishers are in the full-time service, and about 1,400 home Bible studies are being conducted. The 2001 Memorial attendance reached an all-time peak of 1,907. Yes, on these tropical islands, the word of Jehovah is moving ahead speedily and is being glorified.—2 Thessalonians 3:1.

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Some things I'm having trouble understanding

by Zico in

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according to wt doctrine, the faithful and discreet slave is the whole 144,000... correct?

and the 144,000 includes many first-century christians, including all the apostles, and also russell?

but jesus appointed the organisation as the faithful and discreet slave in 1919?

Zico

According to WT doctrine, the faithful and discreet slave is the whole 144,000... correct?

And the 144,000 includes many first-century Christians, including all the Apostles, and also Russell?

But Jesus appointed the Organisation as the Faithful and Discreet slave in 1919?

So, as Russell and the apostles were members of the 144,000, they were the faithful and discreet slave, but they weren't part of the faithful and discreet slave as Jesus didn't appoint one until 1919, at which time he decided it was the Watchtower Organisation, represented by Rutherford?

Or, he didn't appoint the Watchtower Org as FDS in 1919, but he appointed them as God's channel? But all the anointed were already part of this channel, so Jesus must have been leading this group since before 1919? So, when he inspected the religions of the Earth and chose the Watchtower one as his favourite, he already had pre-conceived ideas, since Jehovah and Jesus had already picked many thousands of people from that religion to be part of the 144,000, including their former leader, Russell, so it was obvious the Bible Students were his favourite.

So why did he need 5 years to inspect all religions?

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Revelation book study. A look at Watchtower changes to prophetic meanings

by jwfacts in

with the upcoming study of the old-new revelation book i thought it would be good to expand an article i had done on the watchtower's ability to understand bible prophecy.

it appears at http://jwfacts.com/index_files/revelation.htm i can not understand how anyone that knows of the number of changes the watchtower has made can believe jehovah's holy spirit directs the watchtower.

particularly interesting is the changes that have been made to the understanding of the 1260, 1290, 1335, 2300 and 2520 days that appears towards the end of this article.the current explanation of these are an embarrasment.

Zico

Thanks JWfacts, a great review!

The new softcover does have the changes in it, but they aren't printing enough soft-covers for everyone, so they need the revisions for people who can't get a copy, and have to use their old hardcover book.

One thing I never understood about the 1260 days prophecy taught in 69-77, and 88-06 is, that WW1 began in July didn't it?

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 12-17-06 WT Study (Sacred Gatherings)

by blondie in

: the special assembly day, the two-day circuit assembly, and the three- or four-day district convention.

q9) how can we show our respect for sacred gatherings by our dress and behavior?.

- how can children show that they respect the sacred nature of our meetings?.

Zico

'In context, this statement applies to Christian elders who are meeting to handle serious problems between individuals, but in principle, it also applies to our meetings. (Matthew 18: 20)'

Actually, even in context, this statement has nothing to do with elders discussing judicial matters.

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GB: Victims or Orchestrators

by Qcmbr in

while discussing how powerless the system (govt.

schools etc..) makes us (how free are you really?

) i got to thinking about how inanimate systems trap us - even when we seem to be at the top - into being 'their' slaves.

Zico

All GB members start off as victims, like any other member. They start off as Rank & file members, like anyone else, who were tricked into the Orgs teachings, and then spend decades in full time Service, worshipping an Organisation with false teachings, but they must believe those to be true, as, why else would they work as unpaid volunteers for so long?

Then, when they do get to the top, I think (but don't really know) that they must realise that something isn't quite right. I can't believe that you couldn't! But at this point, their whole lives, and their well-being, are totally dependant on this Org. They could admit they were wrong, pack it all in, or even just change their teachings to make it more mainstream, but they're too afraid of the consequences, that is, that without the Org, they will become nothing, and they will have nothing. Perhaps some do try, but clearly not enough of them are, because if they were, we'd see changes. You have to wonder how they can live with themselves? They are probably all in self-denial.

See, the members don't really need the Organisation. The Organisation (or it's leaders) needs the members. And in order to keep the members, the leaders and writers have to convince the members that they do actually need the Organisation (them), and as any major changes within the religion would cause huge amounts of Witnesses to leave, they won't risk it, they're too selfish, they'll just keep themselves in denial, desperately holding on to it, and just hoping for the best.

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Sensational news in my Cong!

by Zico in

i've just found out something that's going to be a massive thing in my congregation when it gets out.

it all starts with a former jw, who faded away probably about a decade ago, and then moved away, came out as a homosexual a few years ago.

he was never baptised, and he left so long ago, he never got chased up or disfellowshipped.

Zico

Very true Gill, 'sensational' was probably the wrong word, though I meant in the way that it will be a big shock to most people.

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child getting baptized

by Cindyrenee in

nine year old grandson studying to be babtized.

any thoughts on this??

i think it is insane.

Zico

There's something seriously wrong when a 9 year old can be disfellowshipped.

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Sensational news in my Cong!

by Zico in

i've just found out something that's going to be a massive thing in my congregation when it gets out.

it all starts with a former jw, who faded away probably about a decade ago, and then moved away, came out as a homosexual a few years ago.

he was never baptised, and he left so long ago, he never got chased up or disfellowshipped.

Zico

No need Jeff! I don't know where the profile is, but the elders have seen the site.

Would Bethel have to investigate this, since he was there for 6 years?

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Sensational news in my Cong!

by Zico in

i've just found out something that's going to be a massive thing in my congregation when it gets out.

it all starts with a former jw, who faded away probably about a decade ago, and then moved away, came out as a homosexual a few years ago.

he was never baptised, and he left so long ago, he never got chased up or disfellowshipped.

Zico

I've just found out something that's going to be a massive thing in my Congregation when it gets out.

It all starts with a former JW, who faded away probably about a decade ago, and then moved away, came out as a homosexual a few years ago. He was never baptised, and he left so long ago, he never got chased up or disfellowshipped. Then, another guy, a very spiritual guy, also left my Congregation about 7 years ago, to go to Bethel, and came back last year, got appointed as an MS, and was considered a future elder. Until, the former JW, found an interesting profile whilst searching a gay dating site. Yes, the MS was on a Gay dating site, with things in his profile such as about his favourite gay sex positions! The former JW told his family, who are still JWs, probably not with the intention of causing trouble for the MS, just in general conversation, but obviously the MS got reported to the elders, and he's got a JC coming up.

I'm stunned, I never would have guessed it. It makes me wonder if anyone else in my Congregation is living a double life. I mean, how would you really know? It also makes me wonder what he got up to in Bethel?

I couldn't care less like, I kind of feel sorry for him. Though I've always found him a bit critical... and I don't know how a homosexual JW leading a double life could manage to be at all critical.

And I know, because my Dad who's an elder, has never been good at keeping confidential elders matters confidential.