another idea for a question to as the jw's....... me: would you accept something that was told to you as fact without the ability to verify that information?
(hopefully they would not be so stupid as to say yes.......duh...........).
me: so can you explain to me how you use this nwt bible when you can not verify that the bible translators were actually bible scholars?.
Another idea for a question to as the JW's......
Me: Would you accept something that was told to you as fact without the ability to verify that information? (Hopefully they would not be so stupid as to say yes.......duh...........)
Me: So can you explain to me how you use this NWT bible when you can not verify that the bible translators were actually bible scholars?
What do you think?
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would you put your head on a platter so to speak?for what cause would you die for?.
example:witnesses have given up their lives rather than take a life saving blood transfusion.other witnesses would rather die before they would betray the society or their brothers.they would become a martyr for jehovah / wt.society if it came down to it.they would in effect put their head on a platter so to speak.the yearsbooks relate expieriences of such ones.. there might of been a time when i would of done this,but not now.other than the natural instinct of protecting your loved ones even dying for them,or defending your country,which is understandable,knowing what you know now ,would you die for a cause.. blueblades
I believe I would die for freedom. For the right to decide. If I protect that right now then I ensure that right for my children and my grandchildren.
witnesses are taught that they must love their neighbor and jehovah god.
when persons fade away or leave abruptly or get disfellowshipped, you often hear this statement:"well, they obviously never really loved jehovah anyway"........looking back, can you say that at one time you really did love jehovah?
I do not believe it is possible to love the "God" of the JW's. You can try to convince yourself you do, talk about how much you do, perhaps even believe you do IF and only IF you don't concentrate on that subject too much.
Somewhere in my heart I wanted to know God and wanted to love him, but I couldn't. Like other posters have stated -how can you love someone who is so scary?!
I started discovering him in the past few years (post JW) - and I don't know that I am yet at the point where I can say I love him because I don't REALLY know him yet. But I am recognizing what he is doing in my life, and how much he loves me......and I'm getting there.
I don't think the Jews got him either. I personally think a lot of what is in the Old Testament is their own perception of God. I am starting to wonder if this wasn't part of why Jesus came - to set the record straight?! It would make some sense as to why the God of the old testament and God of the new testament are so different.
Anyways......I don't know yet that I can say I love God.......but I sure like the one I'm learning about now. And I definately want him in my life.
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..."walking with god.
" why not call it "walking with god after we just gave him glory"?.
But you must realize, Dawn, that they are already Weak(tm) if they do that, since they are not following the theocratic direction to bring a bagged lunch...
I don't view them as "weak" - I view them as teetering on the edge of Freedom. All they need is a little help.
But I've also run into elders and their wives out at lunch. And I run into lots of them at the grocery store in the evening - since the local hotels are close to us also.
What a great place to live for all this "informal witnessing"
g?day all, .
so how?s your weekend going?
downunder it?s mid-summer and we?re enjoying hot weather when it?s good to spend time outdoors at bbqs or the beach.
I'm with a number of other posters here.....the convention usually WAS our vacation. How lame
Now that I'm out - I take REAL vacations.......Disneyland, Mexico, trips to the Mountains........It's so great to actually LIVE now!
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..."walking with god.
" why not call it "walking with god after we just gave him glory"?.
MY 2004 district convention theme is........
Woohooo - I'm not there!
Actually - I look forward to the conventions. We have a large convention center that is used for assemblies all summer long. And since lunch is no longer served "on-site" - most JW's wander off to the local restaurants.....where I take MY lunch and always find them most willing to strike up a conversation about their name tag......which leads to even more fun when I ask those "tough" questions......
I bet I can get in quite a few "service hours" this summer
she always calls me at work.
i haven't heard from her in almost 3 months.
(she never calls anywhere near the holidays.
Hi larc:
That's exactly what my hubby says! It pisses me off too! But when I tried to do absolutely nothing at all for her I ended up feeling like a jerk......so I decided to do only enough to make MYSELF feel better and nothing more. As long as I'm feeling good about myself I guess the effort isn't lost.
It's too bad she can't see what all she's loosing. Not just me - but her grandchildren too. My daughter will definately not be going out there to spend time with grandma - I won't allow her to develop a relationship with someone who may reject her in the future. And my son, who will be 18 this month, has not been out to see her for quite some time now.
It's sad - she could have family around her all the time and instead she's living all alone. I wonder how long her dubbie friends will be there when she can no longer make it to meetings or service......perhaps a call on her once a month to count their time???
during my eight month long study with "elder bob" (moms husband) we have batted around many subjects to say the least.
but the one that really stands out is the dreaded date of 607 bc.
im sorry i just will not let up with this date, and him having to prove it can stand.
Scholar:
How about the Israel government's own archaeological site?
http://www.israel-mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH00uy0
Seems to me that Isreal would have little reason to be biased about the date of the destruction of their own temple - especially if that date has anything to do with the second coming of the Messiah - after all, they are still waiting for his first appearance on earth.
So - is an unbiased and scholarly source good enough for you?
moral principles, doctrine , prophecy , ourselves ?
First, we must know our true-self, for everything else will be perceived through the lens of identity. Well stated! I totally agree
i am a new member here and wanted to say hello to all.
i noticed that there are a lot of hot topics being discussed here.
i am not bitter or angry, just kinda very lost in the shuffle and hope to meet some new people.
Hi Puternut:
I am only about 2 hrs away from Spokane and am up there quite often for business. I'll drop you a note the next time I head your direction - maybe we can meet up and exchange stories! Of course.......I won't be heading that direction until I can shovel out of my driveway
