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Is Satan the good guy?

by blackout in

if i were to believe in the bible (which i am starting to totally disbelieve), i like the idea that satan was actually on mans side, and when you look at what he told eve he was actually telling the truth, it was god who lied.

this used to cross my mind as a witness but i would very swiftly dismiss it as demons affecting my thinking.

didn't he say we could rule ourselves if given a fair chance?

Dawn

I have had the same question at some times in the past. I have a hard time reconciling the God of the Old Testament with the God of the New Testament. So I wonder how much of what happened in the Old Testament was REALLY God's direction - or just primative cultures projecting their own decisions/desires onto God.

Anyways - I've done a lot of research and soul searching over the past few years and am now a born again Christian - so I'm putting ALL my $$$ on God's side.

However - SHAME ON ANYONE if you dog someone for asking the question. Never be afraid to ask questions. It was my fear of asking questions that kept me in the JW stronghold for so long. One night while praying I appologized to God for having the questions in my mind (you know - are JW's really God's organization, is he a trinity or not, should I go back, etc) - at that moment a thought came into my mind - it was very clear "Ask your questions. The truth will always be there." Call me crazy - but I knew it was from God, because it was not something I would have ever said, and it was very strong. Immediately the guilt I had carried for so long about these doubts was gone and I started in my research full-force. That was what began my road to freedom.

So ask your questions - whatever they are - and never be afraid of them.

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Making excuses for JW family

by Dawn in

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i have a good friend (also a former jw like me) who is getting married.

none of her family (all jw) are coming to the wedding and she was wondering how she could explain this to her future in-laws - what good excuse could she use so it wouldn't look so bad.

as i was talking with her it hit me - why make any excuse at all?

Dawn

I have a good friend (also a former JW like me) who is getting married. None of her family (all JW) are coming to the wedding and she was wondering how she could explain this to her future in-laws - what good excuse could she use so it wouldn't look so bad.

As I was talking with her it hit me - why make any excuse at all? Is it our responsibility for their beliefs? Just say it like it is. My brother got married today (a JW) and all of my family was invited, even my non-JW teenage son, but I was not. When people ask me why I wasn't going I told them the truth - "I wasn't invited - They're Jehovah's Witnesses and they're shunning me because I don't want to be one". There - plain, simple, and true. If I had tried to make some excuse people would look at me and wonder what the real reason was - what terrible thing had I done that my family didn't want me around. Instead, I told the truth - much simpler.

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Hey - look, Jesus came back.........

by Dawn in

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http://wypleader.freeservers.com/

ran across this website while i was doing some research ........... i got a good laugh so had to share it with ya'll.

someone needs to tell this poor guy that the painting of jesus he is comparing himself to isn't really what jesus looked like .

Dawn

PS.....you christians need to start tithing more....poor old Jesus here can't even afford his own domain name!!

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Hey - look, Jesus came back.........

by Dawn in

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http://wypleader.freeservers.com/

ran across this website while i was doing some research ........... i got a good laugh so had to share it with ya'll.

someone needs to tell this poor guy that the painting of jesus he is comparing himself to isn't really what jesus looked like .

Dawn

http://wypleader.freeservers.com/

Ran across this website while I was doing some research ........... I got a good laugh so had to share it with ya'll.

Someone needs to tell this poor guy that the painting of Jesus he is comparing himself to isn't really what Jesus looked like (DUHHHHHHHH).....it's a European Jesus for cryin'out loud!! Oh - but I'm going to go look for Satan and some big Devils now because he's offering a bounty on them (777 Trillion dollars) and since hubby and I just bought a new house I could really use that $$ to decorate.

I may not be able to check back in on this forum much over the next few months since I'll be devil huntin'

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JW bashing

by Dawn in

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i have see a few posts on here lately from individuals asking why there there is so much jw bashing on this site.

to you who asked - here's the answer.. when an individual has a traumatic experience this puts an imprint on their sub-conscious and conscous mind (so to speak) - it is a wound and it is painful.

external wounds are healed by covering them and protecting them - however, internal wounds like rejection, fear, etc do not heal by being supressed.

Dawn

I have see a few posts on here lately from individuals asking why there there is so much JW bashing on this site. To you who asked - here's the answer.

When an individual has a traumatic experience this puts an imprint on their sub-conscious and conscous mind (so to speak) - it is a wound and it is painful. External wounds are healed by covering them and protecting them - however, internal wounds like rejection, fear, etc do not heal by being supressed. The best way (and this is confirmed by a counselor I spoke with) to heal from a traumatic experience is to talk about it - as often as you need to. Talking it through allows you to work through those feelings and release the emotions that are intertwined with them.

Being disfellowshipped is a very traumatic experience involving rejection, depression, pain, and fear. Likewise when one comes to realize that the "truth" they had once based their reality on is not so it is another traumatic experience.

Most of the individuals on this board have suffered one, if not both, of these. This board offers a place for these people (myself included) to talk through their feelings with others that can not only sympathize with their position but also offer advice, alternate opinions, and experience. This board is a counseling session so to speak for many of us.

So you ask "why all the JW bashing" - I answer - because we are in the process of heaing from a traumatic experience.

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Can We Get To Know Each Other Now?

by Big Tex in

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i've picked up a little bit about each of you since i've been here, but we're a reclusive little group, aren't we?

well, my picture won't be going up any time soon since i'm a complete internet idiot (tm) and i've registered again completely mucking up the works (sorry simon

perhaps time to start another?

Dawn

I'm 37 female. Married (7 yrs now) - 2 kids (teenage boy and kindergarden girl). Let's see......height 5'7", weight 140. I have dark brown hair. Was DF'd twice - once when I was 19, and went back because I thought it was the only way, then again when I was about 24. Never went back - but did find the real TRUTH through the help of this board and other sources. I'm now a born again Christian - was baptised 2 years ago.

Favorite past times - hubby and I like camping and water skiing, I LOVE gardening, swimming, biking, pretty much anything outside - I hate being indoors when there is sunshine outside. My son and I also love to snowski - he's really good at it - I suck by continue to try.

Occupation - computer consultant.

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Gearing Up For New Expansion

by Defender in

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the society is actively gearing up for possible new territories being opened up in the aftermath of war with

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Dawn

"new territories being opened "

Of course - there are already missionaries over there preaching the gospel and living under the possibility of being caught and executed. But I guess the "truth" won't be taught until it's a little safer hu?!

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What Are Your Goals For The Memorial Season?

by minimus in

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be zealous for what is good!

is the article of the latest km.

there's a box in the article that has the following question---what are your goals for the memorial season?-----here are the check off points that should be answered to this question.

Dawn

"Pardon me, but, when is Nisan 14 this year "

Nissan 14th will fall on April 17th - but there's no guarantee that's when the memorial will be. Last year they held the memorial on a day that was actually Nissan 15th or 13th (can't remember which direction now but it was off a day). I questioned that when my mom invited me last year - never did get a good explanation except it had something to do with how their calculations of the calendar were more accurate than the Jews calculation of their OWN calendar so the jews were celebrating passover on the wrong day (bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa) ..........seriously - that's the answer I got.

As for what will I be doing? I celebrate the Lord's Supper by partaking just like he offered to all who would follow him. I say a prayer and thank him for all he's done - and enjoy the unleavened bread (I buy mine in a store) and some really good wine.

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World Ends in 2060 According to Isaac Newton

by blondie in

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http://www.nj.com/newsflash/international/index.ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?a0481_bc_israel-endoftheworld&&news&newsflash-international

jerusalem library said to hold newton's prediction for the end of the world

by steve weizman .

Dawn

Oh goody........a new date for Armageddon. Now that oughta get them JW's movin!!

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How much do JW's RESPECT their kids?

by anti-absolutism in

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i strongly believe that it is very difficult to be a good parent in the borg!!

if you think about it, the parents are basically trained to look at their kids as if they are lesser human beings than them..... you know the old head of the house crap!!.

i know from my personal experience, i was df'd in 1992, but i never made the definite decision to never go back until 1997. .

Dawn

My son was 4 when I was DF'd - but I did not fully get out of the mind control until he was about 12. I have always loved my kids and they were first priority in my life - in and out of the borg.

But I would have to say that my perception of our relationship has changed. As a JW I thought of my son as MINE - he belonged to me. Not in a bad way mind you - I just didn't think of him as his own person but an extension of ME.

Now I believe that he is a separate spiritual being that is not MINE but belongs to GOD - I am here as his caretaker to guide him with the knowledge I have gained, and his cheerleader to build him up and praise him when he's accomplished something - but he was never an extension of me and never belonged to me. I'm was just lucky enough to have been chosen to be his guide.