Posts by jambon1

greetings.. allow me to set the questions up.. after 30 years in the truth (i'm now late 40's) and having established the truth about the truth i consider myself agnostic going on atheist.. i struggle to believe there is a god when i observe life yet i try to convince myself there must be something out there.. here's the basis of my question: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23583116 .

in summary, 2 young boys have been killed by a snake that escaped from a pet store in canada.

it made it's way up through the ventilation into the apartment they were staying in.

jambon1

The presence of suffering (particularly that inflicted by 'perfect creation') is one of the majors that had me leaving the religion.

I've never, ever been able to reconcile these things & I doubt I ever will.

It all simply doesn't make sense to me.

I couldn't do what god has done.

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses REALLY believe that their worldly friends, relatives and small children will be slain in the street by god?

by jambon1 in

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i mean, it's so utterly ****ed up, it's unbelievable.. just think about the nitty gritty of it:.

people that they love & care for who don't share their religion deserve to be killed, left without a grave & eaten by wild animals.

one day, this will happen & they'll be surrounded by billion upon billion of decaying, rotting corpses.

jambon1

I mean, it's so utterly ****ed up, it's unbelievable.

Just think about the nitty gritty of it:

People that they love & care for who don't share their religion deserve to be killed, left without a grave & eaten by wild animals. One day, this will happen & they'll be surrounded by billion upon billion of decaying, rotting corpses. Those slain by god will deserve such a death & shall not be mourned. And for what reason? The sin of another person. Passed on through generations.

Little children deserve to gasp for breath as god 'lovingly' removes their life force. And for what? Sin. They sinned.

The Jehovah's Witnesses beliefs are utterly insane, cruel, unloving & removed from the wishes & desires of 99% of humanity.

They're welcome to each other. They're welcome to the depression. They're welcome to their heavy hearts for shunning people. They're welcome to the gossiping & judgemental atmosphere that permeates their group of 'friends'.

Despicable.

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Have You Given Up on JW Friends or Family Ever Seeing The Light And Getting Out?

by minimus in

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i'm always hopeful but mostly doubtful that they will get out of her..

jambon1

Pretty much, yes.

On the one hand it gives them something. On the other, I believe it affects people really badly (depression, negative outlook, reducing ones chances in employment).

I have found ways to cope with the situation.

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British zone visit from David Splane - a report from the special meeting in Glasgow

by slimboyfat in

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well i went to a "special meeting" in the armadillo today where a 2 & 1/2 hour programme was relayed from london at 1pm.

apparently the letters of invitation only went out a month or so ago and not all congregations were invited.

there were 2,900 of us from around scotland.

jambon1

It's really good that the brothers saw fit to have the conventions from this summer onward in Glasgow. An absolute shithole of a place where no-one wants to live, never mind visit. Pulling every JW in Scotland to the most hostile & 'uncentral' place in the country.

I guess it just suits the brothers who organise these events.

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Your own mortality, how do you cope with it?

by CookieMonster in

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i've been a lurker here and an inactive jw for a number of years.

i've always had some annoying doubts but brushed it aside but over the last few years i've had time to "think" away from the wt.

perhaps there is no paradise, maybe no god and this life is all there is.

jambon1

I make each day count, now.

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Bethel Brother's explanation to young mother as to WHY God would destroy children at armegeddon

by Newly Enlightened in

back when we were still active in the cong.

we became friends with a young couple with 2 small kids.

they were newly baptized and wanting a better future for their kids.

jambon1

It's insanity to reconcile in your mind that babies and children deserve to die at god's behest.

Once you accept that belief, I believe that your mind is seared, damged. You'll take on the rest of their shit without even thinking much about it.

Once you strip back the panda leaflets portraying peace and love, they are a hateful bunch of morons who are so entirely self absorbed that they actually believe stuff that would make the average persons head turn 360 degrees on it's axis.

Some of the most emotive arguments I haved had with my wife have taken place when I get her to consider the wrongness of believing that babies and children, in fact, anyone deserves to die at god's hands. Once, she actually said to me "well, everyone's going to die at some point anyway".

How do you reply to that?

One experience I have related on here before is when and elder once told a big group of us that he wants to "see" the people die at Armageddon.

Mentaly ill fuck ups.

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Are there any good interviews/discussions that I can dowload to my iphone?

by jambon1 in

i'm not very techi.. any help?.

jambon1

I'm not very techi.

Any help?

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Memorial Hell

by thecrushed in

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today has been one of the most aganizing days since i woke up.

my family has been pressuring me to show up at the memorial for the past week.

it became very intense today with my dad texting me constantly to get me to confirm and when i didn't answer he would call my wife and then she would constantly nag me to answer my dad and so on and so forth.

jambon1

Hi

I can completely feel your relief and the feeling of freedom you gained by making a stand.

I've been there, felt it. Cherish it because it's what we had sacrificed for years & years and is the main reason that I'll never return.

The guilting? Well, get used to it. I still get comments & remarks from my wife & friends after seven years. But, on the occasions that I fight them or take them up on a point then things get all out of control & angry on their part. The shutters come down and they cry persecution or abuse.

You know what is the most frustrating thing about having loved ones in the org? It's when you present the most calm, reasoned, well thought out argument against say, disfellowshipping. You give accounts of what it's like from the other side, how it makes people feel worthless, unloved, depressed. How it's not a punishment that is fitting any crime (apart from perhaps pedophilia). That people kill themselves after weeks & months of shunning. And then your loved one just looks at you and carrys on regardless. Even calling you 'blinded by the devil'. That's fucking hard.

My life at the moment isn't great due to having kids who are now actively involved in the organisation. And a wife who doesn't cope with oposition or critiscism of the organisation. I don't know where to turn or what to do for the best.

It's shit.