Posts by dannyboy

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Zev's UN/WTS Scandal Web Site

by hawkaw in

zev's internet site is up and running at:.

( http://www.geocities.com/plowbitch69/.

zev's site will have a few more features added to it by next week.

dannyboy

Nice work.

---Danny

PS: How 'bout a less inflammantory URL??

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Why I Do What I Do - Randy Watters

by Dogpatch in

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hi friends,.

i have been overwhelmed by the number of witnesses contacting me on the net lately.

traffic to the site has more than tripled since feb. 1999, and i am getting tons of email every day.

Before I left the witness world after many decades, I "looked around" the net a bit out of curiosity, peering into the edge of what my dub-conditioned mind told me was an abyss of lies and half-truths. I found your websites to be very informative and thought-provoking. The key to helping witnesses, IMHO, is to get them to think objectively. An enormous challenge to get around the witness programming. I sincerely commend you for your tireless efforts.

I distinctly recall visiting another popular site where I was REALLY put-off by the sarcastic and mean-spirited tone. To me at the time, it came across quite negatively. Today, I understand where the owner of that website is coming from, but the point I'm hitting on here is that if the goal is to reach out and positively affect the life of a current witness, the tone has got to be respectful.

I think you're doing that.

What suggestions do I have? Well, since you asked: With the mindset and preconceived fears of the typical JW browser, perhaps a modified web page design, with much less on the *first* page. I know such comments are highly subjective, but I really think a change would appeal even more to your target audience.

Another suggestion from me would be to copy the JW approach and leave the more striking stuff out. For example and again keeping the target audience in mind, consider how "off the wall" the comments from the former translators would sound to a typical witness. A witness wouldn't go door-to-door emphasizing the "blood issue" or the "flag salute" issue (even though they are deeply held beliefs), so I'm suggesting a similar concept. I don't mean to suggest that you haven't considered this angle, it's just my two cents worth.

I disagree that your main website comes accross as sort of self-serving. On the contrary, I think it's the opposite. Also, I note you try hard to use JW terminology, the lack of which would jump right out at a perusing witness.

Keep up the good work, Randy.

---Danny

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protesters against JWs at WTC on 9/11?

by concerned fiance in

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my fiance's mother, who is in complete hysteria since the attack on 9/11 and went back to being a witness after 10 years (clearly the main reason my fiance is now considering he should go back)told my fiance something that she heard from one of the elders last week.

i am not sure if it is true and most likely, there is no way to prove it.

she said that on the day of the attack, there was a group of people outside the wtc screaming and badmouthing jws because they don't fly the flag etc.

dannyboy

I just want to say that all of the replies are RIGHT ON!!!

The quality of the stuff said in this thread restores my confidence that this DB has not been completely taken over by folks whose postings make me want to spend my time elsewhere.

Way to go, everybody.

---Dannyboy (who says very little, but lurks a lot)

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T.V.program on witnesses this monday

by gumby in

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just wanted to share with you a program airing this monday in redding calif. it's a local station on channel 11.. this is how the ad reads;.

"the watchtower society is presenting a series of programs on redding community access channel 11 regarding the teaching's of jehovah's witnesses.

the series,"bible principals aid the community", debuts at 6pm.. monday".

dannyboy

Gumby,

What am I missing here?

You first wrote that "you can read this for yourself on www.redding.com"

Then you write that "I guess you have to subscribe to see the articles", and suggest *writing* to the local access channel, to "get a video"??

I'm not following you: My question is where on redding.com did *you* get the information about the (you say) upcoming program from? Or do you have another source for information about this program?

---Danny

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T.V.program on witnesses this monday

by gumby in

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friends

just wanted to share with you a program airing this monday in redding calif. it's a local station on channel 11.. this is how the ad reads;.

"the watchtower society is presenting a series of programs on redding community access channel 11 regarding the teaching's of jehovah's witnesses.

the series,"bible principals aid the community", debuts at 6pm.. monday".

dannyboy

Gumby,

*Where* specifically on redding.com is this found? Looked/searched just now in vain.

Copy and paste the URL if possible.

--Danny

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October 7th Ex-JW gathering in San Francisco

by Stacey in

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i hadn't seen any recent posts about this event.

tonight i spoke to paul thomason, the organizer of the event.

he said that last year they had about 18 in attendance.

dannyboy

Count me in as a "will try to get there".

--Dannyboy

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Do Not Call List

by anglise in

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do not call list.

an ex-jw in the uk has come up with a brainwave!!.

he canvassed his local area and came up with a signed list of several thousand householders who did not wish to be called on again by jehovahs witnesses.. this list was then handed to the local congregations and the london bethel who were then obliged to list all those households as do not calls.. has anyone else tried this?

dannyboy

Here in California, there's a legislative effort underway to limit some forms of telephone solicitation. It would involve the "Do Not Call" concept we're familiar with (except meaning telephone calls).

I wonder if the sponsor would be willing to add a slight improvement dealing with in-person unsolicited calls.........

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What questions are asked at a JC?

by jayhawk1 in

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all of this talk about the judicial committee notes, got me to thinking.

since i was only a publisher in the congregation, i have no idea what types of questions were asked.

could somebody fill me in?.

dannyboy

:I wonder why they don't have specific questions

You'd have to ask 'em :)

Not sure where you're headed here, but consider this:

There are so many "wrongs" that could lead to a JC hearing, it would be impractical to list a matrix of questions. Then, too, every situation is unique at least to some extent. Just too many possibilites.

To reiterate, elders serving on a JC are supposed to use their 'noggins to both compose appropriate questions during a hearing, and to "see where things go", all the while manifesting true Christian love and kindness towards the "brother" in the hot seat. Therein lies a major weakness with the whole JC system, not to mention what some of the "crimes" are that could get a person into hot water in the first place.

Danny

[edited 'cause it just didn't sound right]

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What questions are asked at a JC?

by jayhawk1 in

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friends

all of this talk about the judicial committee notes, got me to thinking.

since i was only a publisher in the congregation, i have no idea what types of questions were asked.

could somebody fill me in?.

dannyboy

A further thought here on the matter of questions, etc: The general procedure that is to be followed is outlined in the Flock book and supplemented from time to time to elders.

This means that elders serving on a Judicial Committee (JC), have to **THINK** about what they're doing, kind of get the whole picture. On the one hand, elders (and all other JWs) are consistently exposed to organizational teaching that results many times in unhooking the parts of their brains connected to common sense, but then, in a JC situation, they have to use good judgement and THINK. Tough job for most.

Sad thing is, some elder's judgement in these situations is ABSOLUTELY APALLING. So things sort of go on "on the fly". Some of the impromptu questions that were asked in my presence (as a member of a JC) are just incredible.

As posters in other threads recently have eloquented expressed: An individual elder's experience, common sense (or lack thereof) very much effect the questions asked and the over-all tone of JC hearing.

Like other former elders, I, too cringe a bit to think of all the "interrogations" I participated in, as a loyal "company" man, who only near the end of my tenure really began to use my own brain and common sense, and look beyond the dictates of official organization procedure/policies.

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What questions are asked at a JC?

by jayhawk1 in

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friends

all of this talk about the judicial committee notes, got me to thinking.

since i was only a publisher in the congregation, i have no idea what types of questions were asked.

could somebody fill me in?.

dannyboy

Jayhawk:

Flock book: [Unit 5b, p 112] "You must ask pertinent, discreet questions to isolate main issues and determine how or why a problem developed. "

There is no specific list of questions, such as a checklist. The Flock book suggests a number of issues that the elders are supposed to consider, and these would naturally give rise to questions.

Hope this helps.

DannyBoy