Posts by uninformed

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If the end does not come in 10 years then...........

by TooBad TooSad in

if the end does not come in 10 years then nothing is going to change.

here is my reasoning.. in our hall we have friends whose grandparents thought the end was coming in 1914 then in 1925.. well they died and still our friends believe the end is near.

our friends had parents who.

uninformed

TBTS

Your opening post is so right.

Brant

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started out like any other normal day..with plans to go to taos with my girlfriend and a good buddy o mine (wlg) sorry mang...had to give u some recognition on this one...anyhow..we went out to a nice place for some breakfast..wandered around taos, went to the taos pueblos to get a chance to watch the native americans dance at the taos pueblo...then we went out to the taos gorge..which for those who dont know is a quite big hole in the ground bout a mile down...the bridge is somewhat a daunting look down for ones who have never seen it before.... anyhow...my girlfriend at first refused to step one foot out onto the bridge but with a little coaxing and a promise to make sure she wouldnt fall off i gradually brought her out to the middle of the bridge where there is a small outcropping where one can stand and look out over the gorge...we stood there staring over the side of the bridge for a few minutes then i slowly took her hand in mine and looked deep into her eyes.... ....and i dropped to one knee....(quite funny too cuz initially she was like what are you doing?

)....i still had her hand in mine and she was staring down at me like i was doing something silly or humorous like is my usual personality trait...i stared at her for a minute or two and said a few sentances of which are too personal to bring up here and then i asked her to marry me..... she looked at me and said "what?!

are you kidding me?!

uninformed

congrats.

I love that area, Ridden my harley through there a bunch of times. It is an awsome bridge.

Since you are in the area, don't forget to try Ojo Caliente hot springs, just south of Taos thru Tres Piedras or thru Pilar if you are adventurous.

Brant

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Dead body found behind Assembly Hall

by RR in

uninformed

I heard he was a reformed apostate getting rebaptized.

Brant

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Brant Jones Letters to and From the Watchtower- 2005-06

by uninformed in

thanks to scully, i have figured out where to put these letters so all that would like to access them and read them can do so.--just click on the link below.. don't expect a lot from the letters, as i am a brick mason and not the brightest bulb on the (new) christmas tree.. in my correspondence with the wt, i exerted all my effort to keep the discussion on just the un, even though i did have misgivings on other matters.

i thought if i was able to keep the discussion on just the un that it would prove to be more difficult for them to disfellowship me, as it was their conduct that i was opposing, conduct that violated their own teachings.. it worked to some extent, as they had to trump up charges on us that we started our own religion because we had the memorial celebration in 2006 with our family rather than at the kingdumb hall.

it was a real pleasure to be disfellowshipped for their sin.

uninformed

I was fresh married and we stayed in an unfinished apartment house on the floor.

What an experience. Wouldn't it be nice to go back there, meet each other and leave then!!

Brant

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JWs selling Bossert Hotel-New York Times Article 1-30-08

by AndersonsInfo in

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new york times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/30/nyregion/30hotel.html?_r=1&ref=nyregion&oref=slogin.

hotel where dodgers celebrated a title is up for sale .

uninformed

Richard Devine, the building manager for the society, said in a telephone interview on Tuesday that the old hotel was “in very poor condition when we bought it.” The society then began an extensive renovation of the 14-story building.

I was on the brick-blocklaying crew in the basement of the Bossert in the early to mid 80's, 'temporary construction.

I wonder if they will send me a check for my work when they sell?

Brant

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Joy Or Sorrow When You First Found Out It Was False?

by serotonin_wraith in

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for me, it was joy.

i was raised in the religion, and i always figured i'd be dying along with 6 billion others because i hated the meetings, the preaching work and the rules, morality and threats of 'jehovah'.

i did not want it to be true.. for others here, finding out it was false was a hard time to go through.. as well as asking which feelings you had at first (joy/sorrow/or add your own) i have a follow up question for those who found it hard- what was it that made the impending deaths of 6 billion people okay for you?

uninformed

I actually cried every day at least once for a long time. I had given 45 years of my life and 4 kids to this f***ing thing. It hurt bad.

Now I am just relieved. You know, like after a good bowel movement.

Brant

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So just what or who DO you have faith in now?

by oompa in

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i never used to wonder about death, or what comes after, because i had all the answers!

but now i really wonder, but not with fear....it feels odd, and i am curious.

this planet and universe are so incredible and complex that to me it defies logic that someone must have had a creative hand it.

uninformed

I never used to wonder about death, or what comes after, because I had all the answers! But now I really wonder, but not with fear....it feels odd, and I am curious. This planet and universe are so incredible and complex that to me it defies logic that someone must have had a creative hand it. Yet, I do not have a clue if he had purpose for man, and he sure does not seem to care what the heck happens to us. I was more comfortable knowing all the answers dang it!!!......................................................oompa

Oompa,

I think most of us are on the same page. Having all the answers was extremely convenient. I have felt like a lost canoe in a storm since I left the Org, and am just learning how to relax and not have to KNOW everything.

Regarding death, I was discussing it just yesterday. I don't really fear death, but at least now, I EXPECT it. As a Witness, we had always 'rounded the corner' and armageddon was just a couple whatevers away. We weren't trained to accept our mortality.

I do believe in God, and in Jesus Christ. Not sure if Jesus is the Son of God as we understand what a Son is, or if he is a "piece" of God, such as, "In the beginning the Word..was God."

I have read re: the substance of Christ in the book, "A Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs" by Bercot. It helped me to see that for 2000 years men have been trying to understand Jesus and Jehovah.

I think the complexity of the human eye, brain, or physical universe actually REQUIRES the existence of a God, however complex he is. The laws of nature teach us "atrophy". I am sure that others will disagree, but I remain convinced that there is a Creator, God.

Good thread.

Brant

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Brant Jones Letters to and From the Watchtower- 2005-06

by uninformed in

thanks to scully, i have figured out where to put these letters so all that would like to access them and read them can do so.--just click on the link below.. don't expect a lot from the letters, as i am a brick mason and not the brightest bulb on the (new) christmas tree.. in my correspondence with the wt, i exerted all my effort to keep the discussion on just the un, even though i did have misgivings on other matters.

i thought if i was able to keep the discussion on just the un that it would prove to be more difficult for them to disfellowship me, as it was their conduct that i was opposing, conduct that violated their own teachings.. it worked to some extent, as they had to trump up charges on us that we started our own religion because we had the memorial celebration in 2006 with our family rather than at the kingdumb hall.

it was a real pleasure to be disfellowshipped for their sin.

uninformed

Len

Thanks for your post.

I believe that the assembly that the resolution was made was the "Everlasting Good News Around the World" District Assembly in 1963. I went to jail in 1966 and when I got out in 1968, the next major assembly was the International Assemblies of 1969, of which I attended in Kansas City also!

At any time in my life as a witness, I would have quit upon coming to know that they had joined the UN as an NGO, especially on the sly. If there was nothing wrong with it, then when exposed, why did they drop their 'association' (if they really did). Also, if there was nothing wrong with it, why did they not announce it in the WT or Kingdom Ministry?

The reason is simply that they VIOLATED their own policy to do what they did.

I almost quit in 1995, when the WT changed the generation teaching. The reason being was that I promised myself if they EVER abandoned the 1914 teaching that I would quit. Not because I was so sold on the 1914 date, but because they hung so much of their 'internal' evidence as being God's Organization on that date. So when they changed the MEANING of the GENERATION teaching, I became fairly hostile, recognizing that they CHANGED the 1914 teaching in its most basic sense, but then by changing the meaning of the generation, they made it difficult to prove that they really abandoned the 1914 belief, while we all know that is exactly what happened.

They are a bunch of smart cookies, and they don't have a good motive.

Jaydoe, thanks for your post and your pm. I sure didn't take you as an apologist for the WT. Only thing I would do though, is for your own good, be careful in imputing good motives to the WT and its slaves. They are an insidious group, and while we all feel that we have or had "friends" among them, at this point in my life, I think that it is dissonance on our part to be accepting of them. For me, rejection is protection. If they want acceptance from me, they need to stand up, walk out, and make it clear they are no longer under the control of the WT.

Some have been able to come here and continue as Pioneers, Elders, Servants and even Bethelites. I sincerely respect what they are TRYING to do, but if you ask me they are just prolonging the inevitable.

That's got to be another thread.

Thank all of you for your nice compliments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brant

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Brant Jones Letters to and From the Watchtower- 2005-06

by uninformed in

thanks to scully, i have figured out where to put these letters so all that would like to access them and read them can do so.--just click on the link below.. don't expect a lot from the letters, as i am a brick mason and not the brightest bulb on the (new) christmas tree.. in my correspondence with the wt, i exerted all my effort to keep the discussion on just the un, even though i did have misgivings on other matters.

i thought if i was able to keep the discussion on just the un that it would prove to be more difficult for them to disfellowship me, as it was their conduct that i was opposing, conduct that violated their own teachings.. it worked to some extent, as they had to trump up charges on us that we started our own religion because we had the memorial celebration in 2006 with our family rather than at the kingdumb hall.

it was a real pleasure to be disfellowshipped for their sin.

uninformed

Thanks to all of you for reading and commenting.

Just one remark to Jaydoe. I appreciate your right to your view, and I agree that my letter was hostile. Please keep in mind that as a young man, I gave up two years of my life, IN PRISON, in order to live up to their stated belief, "that we should be neutral, no part of the political structrue of this world". The WT marriage with the UN was the opposite of their own teaching.

At the time I wrote the letter to the WT, in 2005, I firmly believed that the WT at least "had been" God's Organization. I was struggling with several teachings, primarily the "generation" change (it changed again this year), and how it affected the 'message' that I delivered for 40 years, that is, the living in 1914 would see the end, now what are we going to tell them?

I was also upset re: the death of the Malawi brothers in view of the WT association with the UN.

I was very upset re: the change of teaching on neutrality, (1994 I think).

Even as an elder for 30+ years, I NEVER believed the 144,000 was a literal number, and got called down a few times over it, especially in the late 90's.

I was upset following the 1975 debacle and lies that followed. And I was upset re: the constant bragging on the part of the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" from the early 80's forward.

NO, IT WAS NOT A SAD THING TO BE DISFELLOWSHIPPED FOR (THE UN DEAL), IT WAS A REAL JOY AND PRIVILEGE, TO BE THROWN OUT BECAUSE OF THEIR LYING AND FALSE TEACHING.

It is great to be out from under their "loving" control.

Brant

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Brant Jones please post your letters to the WBTS re the UN.

by yesidid in

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hi brant,.

i don't want to send a pm because i want all the newbies to benefit from your great work.. your letters to the wbts re the un scandal, were excellent and should be read by all.

unfortunately the link in the thread you posted in '06 has died.

uninformed

http://www.sendspace.com/file/q24jlc

If you click on the link above, it should take you to my letters.

Hope it works, let me know

Brant