Posts by uninformed

Good points, Liberty. I, too, think RF had a pretty privileged, cushy place in the org. and had no compelling reason to leave other than the ubiquitous harassment that pushes us all out.
Early in my JW career, when I was a deluded teenager, I was told by an elder that a person who left and spoke out or wrote refutations of Watchtower doctrine had committed the "sin against the holy spirit" and could never be accepted back into the organization (as if one would wish to be). He might have been talking about William J. Schnell, author of Forty Years a Watchtower Slave.
Are there any ex elders out there who can clarify this?
Regards,
SandraC

Schnell's book was entitled, "Thirty Years a Slave of the Watchtower" to the best of my memory.

I don't believe that criticizing the WT has ever been viewed as a 'sin against the Holy Spirit'. It is certainly an offense that they take more seriously than immorality or pedophilia, but if you could suppress your gag reflex long enough, and lie convincingly enough, I think you could be reinstated.

Brant

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Sheep, other sheep, other other sheep, Three classes of sheep?

by garybuss in

i got this message from a forum member.. i think you may be confusing the wts' understanding of the "sheep" of matthew chapter 25 (who have not yet been separated from the "goats") and the "other sheep" of john chapter 10. the two groups are not (i.e.

no longer) considered synonymous.. .

what am i missing?

uninformed

Gary,

Just ran across this today, and it looks like you have a plethora of comments and answers to the question, but I had a suggestion that may help us all understand the WT use of the "little flock", "other sheep" and just regular sheep.

First, there are only two classes of sheep. Dead sheep and live sheep. The live sheep survive armageddon, the dead sheep will be resucitated. When Jesus picks from among both of those groups who will survive, picture him examining the sheep, and pointing, ---"I'll take, ewe, ewe and ewe. But not ewe, ewe or you." That simplifies the process.

With regard to the heavenly 'little flock", they aren't nor ever have been sheep. They are geese. The already have wings and are used to heaven in a sense and since a flock of geese is usually small, they are the little flock. I can't help but gaggle as I write this.

Your friend,

Brant

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Did the WTS ask Jesus permission to sell 360 Furman ST.

by cultswatter in

according to the wts, jesus owns all the watchtower properties.

recently the wts sold 360 furman st. for untold millions.

thay obviuosly forgot about jesus and cashed in on his property.

uninformed

Yeah! and they haven't even paid me for working on it three different times in temporary construction.

I figure they owe me about $10,000. (On 360 alone)

U

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Discussion with Elder....a must read story

by drew sagan in

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for those who don't know i've been 'inactive' for around one year.

i stopped attending meetings late last year.

all during this time i was working on my wife (known on this board as amber rose), helping her see the problems with the watchtower.

uninformed

Real good job Drew. I admire your effort.

In my case I discussed issues with an elder who told me that "you have serious questions that deserve serious answers", but different from you situation, he did not seem the least bit sincere to me.

Eventually he led the charge against me and my wife and I were df'd...THANK GOD.

The real point is, you tried to help a person at great personal cost to you. I hope he benefits.

Proud to know you.

Brant

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Did anyone ever actually go out in street work at 5:30 AM?

by WTWizard in

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uninformed

When very young in North Little Rock Arkansas we used to do a lot of streetwork, but a little later, bout 7:30.

However in Austin Texas at the South Cong. we used to get out at 5:30 on Wednesdays and do early morning irritation on old age homes and gas stations as well as convenience stores.

Lot of driving, not much preaching about the WT.

Brant

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6 Years on JWD today

by blondie in

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have i stayed too long at the fair.

there are many names and faces that i don't see much any more.

my own style of posting has changed due to my limitations.. welcome to the new ones and stop by some of you we are missing if you can.. blondie.

uninformed

Blondie,

As far as my wife and I are concerned, you are supergirl. You have been so much help to so many of us.

I have only posted a year and a half, and I don't post much as I have come to the conclusion that I don't know much, and I would rather read posts of a number of you that continue to astound me.

I am sorry that you are ailing, Karen and I send our love.

Brant Jones

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Notes: Friday District Convention - Follow the Anointed Who Follow Christ

by truthseeker in

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today was the first day of three for this year's "follow the christ" district convention.. for the first time in as many years as i can go back, the theme of this program was jesus christ.. most of the program was ok. the talks considered jesus, his life and his works.

there was nothing about the talks that i considered insulting or controlling.. could this be it?

could the society really be going jesus-centric?.

uninformed

gumby hit the nail on the head:

Christ didn't make the mistakes they have made....yet comparing them to him, he did. They are the biggest blashemers against christ and Jehovah, yet they blame christendom for holding the title.

brant

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Notes: Friday District Convention - Follow the Anointed Who Follow Christ

by truthseeker in

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today was the first day of three for this year's "follow the christ" district convention.. for the first time in as many years as i can go back, the theme of this program was jesus christ.. most of the program was ok. the talks considered jesus, his life and his works.

there was nothing about the talks that i considered insulting or controlling.. could this be it?

could the society really be going jesus-centric?.

uninformed

Truthseeker wrote:
IF JEHOVAH AND JESUS TRUST THE "FAITHFUL AND DISRCEET SLAVE" SHOULDN'T WE?

Just exactly what proof is there that he does trust them.

Saying don't make it so.

I would say that HE has yet to entrust them with any correct prophesying! 1874, 1914, 1919, 1925, 1943, 1975, by the end of the twentieth century, etc.....the end was coming last year, oops, no this year, whatever. Eventually we will be right.

Brant

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'War on terror' dividing world, Amnesty warns

by Elsewhere in

damn... looks like dubya has seriously f. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070523111616.2o2tkip3&show_article=1.

'war on terror' dividing world, amnesty warns.

fears stoked by the post-9/11 "war on terror" are increasingly dividing the world, amnesty international said wednesday, while rapping rights abuses from china to darfur and russia to the middle east.

uninformed

Tyrone,

I agree with your view and expressions you made.

Terrorism is a tool of radical Islam, and unless all of us want to grab our rugs and face east and start praying, we had better get unified as to how to deal with these people.

Someone said in a post above that "education" is what is needed. Most of the terrorists leaders have been educated in the US or GB.

These people are just the personification of evil, and I for one am glad that they are fighting and dying somewhere else besides here in the US. The Iraqis have an opportunity to set up their own free government, many appreciate the effort the US has made to allow them to move toward a degree of freedom. But their religious system is not going to let them ever be free.

Just think, most of us endured religious oppression for decades before we were able to break out, and I don't think that as bad as the WT is that it even begins to approach the wickedness of radical Islam.

Lots of you are pretty critical of Bush. I too think he is a piss poor communicator, and after 8 years of him, I look forward to someone who can at least give an inspiring talk. But, Bush is sincere and understands the stakes. Its either them or us.

The only way to change the course of radical Islam is to try to change the way governments in the mid-east govern. Get the power out of the hands of the radicals and the clergy.

I don't know if there is a political-military solution to the problem that radical Islam presents to the world, but as for right now, I feel that killing the sob's at any cost is the right thing to do.

U