christ, my mind feels f***ed.
there is so many layers of indoctrination and rules and regulations in this, whatever this is (religion?
cult?
i have read the site with great interest over the last few weeks.
some interesting stuff thats for sure.. i have left the jehovah's witnesses (was almost going to say the 'truth') for some time now.
i was one of the lucky ones that was baptised then faded, no humiliating disfellowshipping but nonetheless was very hard to get myself out.
in only the short time i have been no longer lurking but also posting, i have discovered some people with situations and reactions very similar to mine.
i guess there are different ways people get out, some do something and are outright shunned, then they may find ttatt and stay out.
but there may be more and more like me, who are 100% mentally out, but for the reason of not losing spouse and family fade.
TTATTelder You are right, the phase part is really probably only in that detox part, the rest could go in any order or skip parts for some, but once you realized "this is a cult" and "they've got me because of my loved ones" thats where really the phases to come to terms happen.
You are 100% correct, play by your rules. When you get there all the tools they have to manipulate you fail, their mystery and power and control just wash away. I was ratted out for my bible doubts by my spouse. a while ago. Our family worship would turn into me questioning every bible verse and its logic as a whole. She took it as a personal attack on her. I was told my thoughts if I was honest were in confidence. Well she told the CO. so here comes the CO and a close elder to "encourage" (interrogate) me. I was so upset and betrayed sitting there looking at her crying after she said in order for me to be honesty it was between us. There was a time this would have worried the $#&@ out of me.
Now... I could care less. I don't need to get into bible debates with them, tell them all the bad things about the org, just tell them I am happy were I am at. And you know what. For the most part I am left alone.
Our indoctrinated subconscious somehow tells us that if do this or that we are going to have fire rain down from heaven on us, or the ground is going to open and swallow us up. Everytime you make progress extracting your mind from this and that doesn't happen, you get more and more peace.
so i joined very recently and began posting and commenting without a formal intro.
been reading for a while, decided it was time to jump in.
mentally i am completely cleansed of this thing, but still have to maintain a minimal involvement for spouse and family.
being that this is not "ex jws" and in fact, more driven by atheists talking a bunch of crap, im not even going to address you people like you know anything about jws because you dont.
nor am i going to assume you know the bible because none of you do.. and yes, im speaking down at you all because you men have actually went out your way to make a site to speak down at an entire group of people.
yet i bet you cant even handle a single uswer talking down at you, like you talk down about jws can you?.
christ, my mind feels f***ed.
there is so many layers of indoctrination and rules and regulations in this, whatever this is (religion?
cult?
your time, check out my other post on phases of mental extraction. You are at the home stretch to break free. I still attend some of the time with my spouse, however once I got through the detox part this became only a nuisance and not the stress fest it used to put me through. Now I sit and listen and see the million things wrong with all this.
the two things you need to get past are the all or nothing feeling baring down on you that you need to stay all the way on, or jump ship. Its a false alarm your witness mind is sounding. Take the time to turn it off and you will see clear. Second TTATTelder told someone else that time is on your side. This is another witness embedded subconscious alarm, that you need to rush and decide. Take the time you need and clean it out properly. There is no rush and no absolute thing you need to do. Just tell yourself you are going to live two lives for a while and continue your education in escaping however you will see fit.
FMF
the movie american sniper is breaking box office records and of course there is some irony that a movie about a sniper is released on martin luther king day (who was shot by one).. but of course there is a world of difference between an assassin and a military sniper ... or is there?.
some are making a big stink about it and claiming that "snipers are cowards".
it seems unfair to me.
why do jehovah's witnesses as individual members readily think that apostates are having a sweeping mass delusion?
if some jw's have known you for a long time do they really think you based everything on some random delusion you randomly had instead of confirming the information?.
it's quite retarded even the bible itself is contradicting them in jeremiah about the 70 years.. i know some know, and some choose not to know but what about the rest?.
in only the short time i have been no longer lurking but also posting, i have discovered some people with situations and reactions very similar to mine.
i guess there are different ways people get out, some do something and are outright shunned, then they may find ttatt and stay out.
but there may be more and more like me, who are 100% mentally out, but for the reason of not losing spouse and family fade.
in only the short time i have been no longer lurking but also posting, i have discovered some people with situations and reactions very similar to mine.
i guess there are different ways people get out, some do something and are outright shunned, then they may find ttatt and stay out.
but there may be more and more like me, who are 100% mentally out, but for the reason of not losing spouse and family fade.
More and more everyday. Yea this was really just my experience and some things I've noticed from others. It would be interesting to collect all the information on the steps and emotions individuals took until they were in a healthy place mentally. To see if there are any patterns to those who try to break out.
