John Stossels might be ready for the Blood Tort & the Quotes fiasco!!
I would love to see national news coverage of these topics. Then watch the WT$ squirm.
IronClaw
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20/20 tonight - talk about an icebreaker
by Will Power inthey did a piece on that guy who does infomercials about drug companines that don't want you to find out that there are lots of cures using natural stuff that is of course in his $30.
book - trudeau .
turns out he's been in jail twice for scamming, using other methods, and that his quackery book is making him the most money so far!
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Theocratic Warfare
by Tigerman inwould someone who is knowledgable on the subject of jws 'acting out' theocratic warfare on a personal .
basis please let me know how they go about it ?
in other words, will they actually lie and say they are .
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IronClaw
I had a phone conversation with an elder in my congo about the Mexican brothers and how they bribed officals to get cartilla cards stating that they did one year of military service. I said this is outright lying. He said and I quote " Its ok to lie as long as its not a malicious lie". I said they weren't even registered as a religion for years but as a "cultural group". This of course was so they could hold on to their real-estate property in Mexico. This too I said was an outright lie. He had no comment. I told him at this point and I quote " This conversation is now over" and hung up the phone. That was a year and a half ago. Haven't seen or heard from him since.
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IronClaw
Sitting here in my puter room with my Crown Royal and Coke. Listening to Eric Clapton with my earphones on.( high volume, extra bass ) Just enjoying all the company.
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Wife feeling guilty over blood issue
by buffalosrfree inwell here we go again, i was in the hospital awhile back and wife found out that they give me two units of blood, and now .
for wome reason she is feeling guilty about it.
why she is feeling guilty i don't know she tried to explain it saying she is .
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Buffalo, Hi
Dont know if you are aware of the fact that the WTS compromised with the Bolgarian Govt. and allows JW to have a blood transfusion with no repercussions. Perhaps someone that has this info. can post it
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Why do ex-JWs try so hard to uncover WTS dirt?
by Lady Lee infar too many times i have heard the accusation that all x-jws want to do is tear down the wts.
we scrounge around digging up every piece of information that we can that will put the wts in a bad light.
"they" being those who seek to defend the wts and forget the past because ... well it is the past and there is so much "new light".
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We only uncover what the WTBT$ has tried to hide. Sometimes it is easy to find and sometimes they have hidden it under so many layers of grime that we have to do a more thorough job. When that happens we almost always uncover another pile of dirt that needs to be sifted through.
Honesty, this reminds me of the saying that goes something like this: When you tell a lie, then you have to tell another lie to cover up the first lie, and on and on. Welcome to the WTBT$.
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They Tell The Elders One Thing And The Others Something Else!
by minimus inthe organization is so deceitful that they will tell the watchtower readers that the elders should deal mercifully with wrongdoers but in private letters or correspondence thru the circuit overseers, they will tell the elders not to allow "leaven" within their midst.
they say it's better to disfellowship and see whether someone's truly repentant afterwards rather than taking a chance to contaminate the congregation.......another example of their being two-faced is that they will tell the brotherhood not to buy homes, cars, vacations, etc.
unnecessarily as it could signal materialism, yet the watchtower society spends more money on real estate than we could ever possibly imagine but it's ok for them..........can you think of other things that show that the organization is hypocritical??
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Imustbreakaway, here is the article on voting from Nov.1,1999 WT pg 28-29 Hope this works.
Questions
From ReadersHow
do Jehovah’s Witnesses view voting?There are clear principles set out in the Bible that enable servants of God to take a proper view of this matter. However, there appears to be no principle against the practice of voting itself. For example, there is no reason why a board of directors should not take a vote in order to arrive at decisions affecting their corporation. Congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses often make decisions about meeting times and the use of congregation funds by voting with a show of hands.
What, though, of voting in political elections? Of course, in some democratic lands, as many as 50 percent of the population do not turn out to vote on election day. As for Jehovah’s Witnesses, they do not interfere with the right of others to vote; neither do they in any way campaign against political elections. They respect and cooperate with the authorities who are duly elected in such elections. (Romans 13:1-7) As to whether they will personally vote for someone running in an election, each one of Jehovah’s Witnesses makes a decision based on his Bible-trained conscience and an understanding of his responsibility to God and to the State. (Matthew 22:21; 1 Peter 3:16) In making this personal decision, the Witnesses consider a number of factors.
First, Jesus Christ said of his followers: "They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world." (John 17:14) Jehovah’s Witnesses take this principle seriously. Being "no part of the world," they are neutral in the political affairs of the world.—John 18:36.
Second, the apostle Paul referred to himself as an "ambassador" representing Christ to the people of his day. (Ephesians 6:20; 2 Corinthians 5:20) Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Christ Jesus is now the enthroned King of God’s heavenly Kingdom, and they, like ambassadors, must announce this to the nations. (Matthew 24:14; Revelation 11:15) Ambassadors are expected to be neutral and not to interfere in the internal affairs of the countries to which they are sent. As representatives of God’s heavenly Kingdom, Jehovah’s Witnesses feel a similar obligation not to interfere in the politics of the countries where they reside.
A third factor to consider is that those who have a part in voting a person into office may become responsible for what he does. (Compare 1 Timothy 5:22, The New English Bible.) Christians have to consider carefully whether they want to shoulder that responsibility.
Fourth, Jehovah’s Witnesses greatly value their Christian unity. (Colossians 3:14) When religions get involved in politics, the result is often division among their members. In imitation of Jesus Christ, Jehovah’s Witnesses avoid becoming involved in politics and thus maintain their Christian unity.—Matthew 12:25; John 6:15; 18:36, 37.
Fifth and finally, their keeping out of politics gives Jehovah’s Witnesses freeness of speech to approach people of all political persuasions with the important message of the Kingdom.—Hebrews 10:35.
In view of the Scriptural principles outlined above, in many lands Jehovah’s Witnesses make a personal decision not to vote in political elections, and their freedom to make that decision is supported by the law of the land. What, though, if the law requires citizens to vote? In such a case, each Witness is responsible to make a conscientious, Bible-based decision about how to handle the situation. If someone decides to go to the polling booth, that is his decision. What he does in the polling booth is between him and his Creator.
The November 15, 1950, issue of The Watchtower, on pages 445 and 446, said: "Where Caesar makes it compulsory for citizens to vote . . . [Witnesses] can go to the polls and enter the voting booths. It is here that they are called upon to mark the ballot or write in what they stand for. The voters do what they will with their ballots. So here in the presence of God is where his witnesses must act in harmony with his commandments and in accordance with their faith. It is not our responsibility to instruct them what to do with the ballot."
What if a Christian woman’s unbelieving husband insists that she present herself to vote? Well, she is subject to her husband, just as Christians are subject to the superior authorities. (Ephesians 5:22; 1 Peter 2:13-17) If she obeys her husband and goes to the polling booth, that is her personal decision. No one should criticize her.—Compare Romans 14:4.
What of a country where voting is not mandated by law but feelings run high against those who do not go to the voting booth—perhaps they are exposed to physical danger? Or what if individuals, while not legally obliged to vote, are severely penalized in some way if they do not go to the polling booth? In these and similar situations, a Christian has to make his own decision. "Each one will carry his own load."—Galatians 6:5.
There may be people who are stumbled when they observe that during an election in their country, some Witnesses of Jehovah go to the polling booth and others do not. They may say, ‘Jehovah’s Witnesses are not consistent.’ People should recognize, though, that in matters of individual conscience such as this, each Christian has to make his own decision before Jehovah God.—Romans 14:12.
Whatever personal decisions Jehovah’s Witnesses make in the face of different situations, they take care to preserve their Christian neutrality and freeness of speech. In all things, they rely on Jehovah God to strengthen them, give them wisdom, and help them avoid compromising their faith in any way. Thus they show confidence in the words of the psalmist: "You are my crag and my stronghold; and for the sake of your name you will lead me and conduct me."—Psalm 31:3.
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Good bye all
by Es in.
just wanted to say a final goodbye before our internet gets disconnected and we move into new house.
i prob wont be on for a few weeks, so take care everyone miss ya heaps.
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IronClaw
Have a good time Es. We'll all be waiting here for ya.
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No sex in NS.
by IMustBreakAway ini have been a jw all of my life and i have never heard anyone say anything about not having sex in the ns.
did the wtbs ever actually say that?
or is a bit of wittness folklore?
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IronClaw
Sounds like there's gonna be a lot of masturbators in the NS.
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Welcome Flag, Yes your kids activities are very important. I wish I had to opportunity to play High school football and baseball when I was a kid. So I know how they must feel. Gladly they have a parent that see's beyond the prison that the WT puts kids in as respects to social and school activities. Looking forward to more posts from you.
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Which Church do I go to now?
by jwfacts ini personally feel no particular need for institutionalised religion, but recognise it is a benefit to many people.
however i am constantly asked, "where do i go to now?
what is the best answer to give someone?
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I think everyone who has left or is in the process of, has thought about that. I too want nothing more to do with organized religion. I remember listening to a tape by Edward Dunlap after he was df'd and how he would just meet with a few people at his home to read and study the bible. This sounds so wonderful. Remember Jesus said where 2 or more are gathered. Maybe they can find some and invite them over for coffee and study. Studying alone is not the same. To have other input on subjects gives a more balanced view.