When I was in Bethel, circa 1978-1980, there was a large number of Bethelites that were fire-department volunteers and did fight fires! Go figure!
cyberguy
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I can be a Jehovah's Witness and fight fires at the same time...
by TresHappy inmike davis, firefighter.
bank one forest park (3:05 p.m.): it may be less than a foot square, but mike davis and fellow forest park firefighter julie stanley work the smoldering patch of mulch as if it could turn into a full-fledged fire.
they till soil around the tree and douse it with water until the smoke stops.. it's a non-emergency response for engine 42. with no sirens or flashing lights, it's excruciatingly routine.
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finally reading "Crisis of Conscience"
by glenwoodswoman ini never had the desire to read the book in all the years i have been "liberated".
joining this board got me curious about the book and i am finally reading it....and i am blown away by it!.
i left for reasons of my own- the society and i could not agree on who should run my life- them or me-i always felt that this life style works for some people, but not for me.. now that i am reading coc, i see the whole issue in a much bigger light!
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cyberguy
Wait until you read his "Christian Freedom…" book!
Mahalo!
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There must be an "organization"
by sinis ini have not, nor will go back to "meetings" after finding out how i was spiritually mislead through the years.i have actually found more comfort in doing my own studying.
my wife still goes occassionaly and her sister and brother-in-law just started going back.
so we went over there house the other night and we got into a conversation in which he said they went to the meeting today (sunday).
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cyberguy
You have to realize that the Society’s use of the expression "Organization," means much more than merely being organized! They of course, discredit "defamers" that say, "there is no need for an Organization or to be organized!" (their words!) However, this is a very deceptive ploy to dismiss/deflate logical argumentation and logical thought.
Their use of the expression "Organization" means much more than merely being organized! Rutherford began the expression I believe, because he needed some way to explain why the leaders of a publishing company needed to be in charge! If the Biblical expression "Congregation" was sufficient, then why this extraneous expression? My 2-cents!
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There must be an "organization"
by sinis ini have not, nor will go back to "meetings" after finding out how i was spiritually mislead through the years.i have actually found more comfort in doing my own studying.
my wife still goes occassionaly and her sister and brother-in-law just started going back.
so we went over there house the other night and we got into a conversation in which he said they went to the meeting today (sunday).
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cyberguy
JW’s are quick to dismiss anything not directly supported in the Bible! They say "the word ‘Trinity’" isn’t in the Bible, therefore, a false teaching." Okay, how about "Organization?" Where is that in the Bible?
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WHY THE MEMORIAL?
by hamsterbait inaccording to christs words at the last supper, his followers were to "keep doing this in remembrance of me" but st paul says that by taking the emblems we are declaring the death of our lord "until he arrives".. the greatest man book (i've been looking at it) says the "arrival of the son of man, jesus christ, with the angels must be invisible to human eyes.
the arrival occurs in the year 1914.
if the gb really believe this why are they still doing the memorial road show?.
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cyberguy
It's my understanding that JW's believe in 3 returns of Christ. They say returned in 1914, then 1918 to inspect the "temple class," then he'll return yet again at some future date, "very soon now".
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A JW refutation of birthday celebrations
by TheListener ini found this while surfing the web.
it's from a website called touchstoneforum.
it's definitely a pro-jw website.
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cyberguy
JW’s DO celebrate birthdays, that is they celebrate the actual birth of a child with a "birthday shower." Think about it! Although it is celebrated prior or just after the actual birth of the child, obviously the celebration is centered on the actual birth of the child. Presents are usually given, yes? -- Often this is includes a meal with family and friends. And oh-my, isn't cake normally served!
Somehow, if this same celebration is repeated a year later, it is considered such an egregious act against God that judicial action is a certainty, with a possible "stoning" (by DF’ing) of those that participated. Makes perfect sense to me! – NOT!!!!
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Is the UN still an issue with the JWs?
by cyberguy inis the un still an active issue with jws?
i've mentioned the duplicity to several active jw's (i.e., their becoming "associates" and "partners" as an "ngo") and they're very defensive, regardless of the evidence.
has anyone made any inroads in removing the thick "scales" of unquestioning devotion to the "organization" due to the un issue?
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cyberguy
Is the UN still an active issue with JW’s? I've mentioned the duplicity to several active JW's (i.e., their becoming "associates" and "partners" as an "NGO") and they're very defensive, regardless of the evidence. Has anyone made any inroads in removing the thick "scales" of unquestioning devotion to the "organization" due to the UN issue? Just curious…
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Living Alone... How Do You Do It?
by FMZ inas you guys may know, i don't ask too many questions on the forum, as i feel that i have a pretty good grasp on things.
but this... i am clueless on..
starting sometime next week, i will have my own apartment.
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cyberguy
Hey FMZ,
You mention in one of your comments that you’re on medication for depression. That’s okay my friend, nothing wrong with that, but I worry about you that your current situation may lead to deeper depression than your current medication may not be able to counter. If you find yourself in that situation, please seek out medical help, friends, and family that you can still talk to. "EvilForce" is a doctor, and I’m sure he would be willing to give advice if you PM him. And of course, a lot of us old timers are here for you too; we’d be willing to listen to whatever problems, sorrows, and confusion you have. You’re not alone my friend. You’ve been in a cult religion that can cause so much harm and mental-trauma, but you’re a survivor—good for you!
Peace! Hugs! Aloha and Mahalo!
Cyber
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Living Alone... How Do You Do It?
by FMZ inas you guys may know, i don't ask too many questions on the forum, as i feel that i have a pretty good grasp on things.
but this... i am clueless on..
starting sometime next week, i will have my own apartment.
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cyberguy
Hi FMZ!
In your early posts, you mentioned you were married. I guess this is no more? Well, that’s your business, but I’m sorry to hear this hasn’t worked out for you. Anyway, try to find friends you can talk with every day, even if it is over the phone. I’ve met a lot of really nice folks here on this board that I’ve later been able to have helpful, encouraging conversations over the phone. Just do the PM-thing to anyone you’d like to have a phone-conversation with, and enjoy. Or get someone's Yahoo IM address.Take care!
Mahalo,
Cyber
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What musical instrument do you play?
by anewme ini spent many many years peforming on the cello before becoming a witness at 18 and being encouraged to quit all my symphony associations etc which i obediently did.
i was a soloist once with a community symphony and it was a wonderful experience!
i have a recording of the concerto i performed.
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cyberguy
Piano, saxophone, and trumpet! At present mostly classical piano. I sure wish you were here in Hawaii, because I'm trying to find someone that plays the cello to accompany me on piano for Rachmaninoff’s Sonata in G minor, Op. 19. I’m sure you’re aware of this wonderful piece of music.