ok, this is from the january 1, 2007 craptower.
page 25 is the study article called "the first resurrection---now under way".
it's too boring to type all the stupidity written, but here's a brief synopsis of where they come up with the brainiac idea that the first resurrection occurred in 1918 onwards:.
It is all about the marketing.
Does anyone remember Datson? In the late 70's the Datson ads would mention Datson several times. Then slowly over a period of about 3 years they would replace Datson with Nissan and by the end of the 3 years they would only say Nissan. And Datson was no more. So be it with WT doctrine from an unchanging God.
2 lovely ladies knocked today.
i wasn't offered the new tract, but after they asked me about the state of the world and how i felt about god etc, i asked them in.
(i fell away 10 plus yrs ago and was baptised.
They told you that they have studied other religions before becoming JW's and that they study other religions as JW's. I would press them on this point. Ask each one individually - which churches they attended, how long did they attend each one, why did they not believe the religions teachings, If they do tell you any, and then try and tell you the "bad points", you can say, "I was talking to an ex-jw and they said some bad things about your religion." They will probably say something like people that leave have an ax to grind and can't be trusted. (If they don't just attack the unknown person personaly). Well then you can ask them if the other religion can say that they have an ax to grind since they left.
Another totally honest point is, IF they mention apostates and they left another religion you can point out they are by deffinition apostates.
If they tell you they can not name one then ask why they lied to you. Now it gets fun, when they say they study other religions in their meetings simply ask is there one religion besides JW's that you could be a member of and have Gods aproval? Why not? Then ask if any other religion would say that being a member of JW's would have Gods approval? When they start crying about being hated blah, blah, blah... you can nicely mention that most other religions don't even know who JWs are let alone hate them, after all "you don't know that much about them, as far as they know. And if they were as well knon and feared by all other religions then why would they knock on doors to find people to accept their message if they are already hated.
Sorry this is so long but this would be a good way to see how honest they have been with you and will be with you. If they stick around, then insist on that history lesson, it just may help them.
i went to see someone in my old hall last night, who's recently been diagnosed with cancer.
she's only in her late 40s, healthy, so this was a shock when i found out about it the other night.
apparently it's gone in to her liver and her doctor has not given her any hope of surviving it, although they're going for a second opinion, as the doctors in our area are notoriously incompetent.. even though i stopped going to the meeting 2 years ago, i thought going to see her was the human thing to do, since she studied with me when i was 15 years old and i thought it would maybe be comforting for her to talk to someone else who had had cancer.
It was the same when my mother died from cancer. My father was really devestated yet he would refuse to cry in front of the "brothers" as "He needs to be strong for them." Forty plus years and he was worried about how some people he knew 20 years or less felt. I remember at my mothers services I overheard the PO say to another "Well now ______ can finally start serving Jehovah like he should." My father was, and still is, an elder, the cong. secratary, on the HLC, the regional building committee, and put in over 40 hrs a month is service. Yet that was not enough for the PO. Mind you my mother said many times that she wanted him to just be with her, but 'The brothers need me" was all the attention she got. A few months later he ended up regretting not spending the time with her, but not enopugh to see where the real cause of the problem was/is.
I'm sorry for rambling but this just makes me mad.
I hope your friend soon reaizes that you are one of the few that truly cares. I wish her and especially you, all the best.
what exactly is the two witness rule regarding the witnesses stance on child abuse?..am i right in thinking that this means that unless there are two witnesses to the child abuse, witnesses are forbidden to go to the police..surely this cannot be so twisted.
Nathan is correct. When my step son was molested I when to the police the day he told us about it. The abuser wrote a letter to the elders saying "He would never bring reproach to Jehovah's name". And the elders just fell all over him with support (a few monts lates they made him a MS). Anyway the police were going to arrest him. Since I had not adopted the boy, technically my wife had full authority over him. She asked me to handle everything then the elders told her since there was not two witnesses to these events she was forbidden to prosicute. She went around my back and told the police not to arrest him as she was not pressing charges. As I have mentioned before my father is an elder and this abuser was and is a close friend to him. Even after the abuse my father calls this guy "The son he never had". He still has a photo of this guy in his house that you see as you walk in, and my stepson recently told me 14 years later that it hurts him every time he goes to my dads house and sees that photo. But he does not want me to say anything as he doesn't want to cause problems.
A life time of heartache for a sweet kid, it just pisses me off......Sorry
anybody know what the jw divorce rate is these days?.
how many dub couples do you know that got divorced?.
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That is a good question. I know of several when I was in, and now my wife tels me about her cong. and i swear that there has been at least 5 there this year.
what have been the most effective reasons that you've given to the people that you love for why you're no longer a witness?
considering that most dubs have the attention span of a 2 year old for anything from an a-prostate, please be consise and succint with your answers.
just trying to plant some seeds of reasoning.... maybe in-depth discussions with those folks will come at a later time.
Is that not what they say?
Ask them and they will say no. Then ask "Well if I left the JW's and became a Babtist(or whatever) and I still followed the Bible could I survive Armageddon?" or even if I did not join any religion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyzriejniag&nr.
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Jinnifer Nettles and Sugarland should have won the Horizon award. Did Faith even have an album or song this year? I don't recall any and I am a fan of country music. Nothing stuck in my mind this year as really great this year....sorry
what have been the most effective reasons that you've given to the people that you love for why you're no longer a witness?
considering that most dubs have the attention span of a 2 year old for anything from an a-prostate, please be consise and succint with your answers.
just trying to plant some seeds of reasoning.... maybe in-depth discussions with those folks will come at a later time.
1.) Point to a playgroung full of children and ask - "If armageddon can today would you really rejoice and the sight of birds feasting on these children?"
2.) "Are you 100% sure in your heart and mind that any and every non witness is deserving of death?"
3.) "I know you are 110% sure that what you believe is the truth. But if someone else who is 120% sue that what they believe is the truth and has twice as much faith in their beliefs as you. And they also have 10 times the amount of Biblical scriptures to back up their beliefs, how can you then say with certanty that you are correct and they are wrong and deserve to die?" - "Did the mother of Judas love her son any less the Mary loved Jesus?"
hey all.
i read through my 10yo open msn window where she was chatting with the elder's wife... a few of the highlights are:.
do you think you might like to come to a meeting sometime?
I would handle it a bit differently. First you must realize that if she did take your child to a meeting or anywhere without your permition it would be kidnaping. But just offering to do so and not trying to inform you is coercion. So I would print out all the conversations they had on line. Then take them to the police and file a restraining order on the woman and her husband(he has to know what his wife was doing). Also any other JW that contacts your child this way.
Don't send them a letter or they could in the future use it aginst you. No matter how politly you try and say it they could say it was threatning. So I would let the police do it.
One more thing keep watching and when they contact your child again, they will as they will want to "Obey God as ruler...." blah blah blah. And when they do call the police and the media and expose them.
Harsh I know, but if they get to your child they will have no problem in distroying your family.
we are all doomed to death, i think by the end of this year too, so we dont have long .
i heard that the work is going to stop, that would be kindof nice here since it is so cold in the winter and knocking on doors waking people up is really lame in the first place, i often wondered why we had to hit the streets so early and make people so angry?.
well supposely this new track is hitting him where it hurts, they are out right telling people they are going to die at the hands of god if they do not join up with the jws right now.
It is worse that we could have imagined. Not only are the JW's right about the backlash they are reciving from this tract all the governments are also striking out at them in such a covert way that we are not hearing about it.
