My prediction?
They will dump 1914 at some point. And they'll replace it with a new eschatology.
But to keep the masses happy, they'll place birthdays into a conscience area.
wizzstick
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Anticipating future changes in the organisation - crystal ball gazing
by yadda yadda 2 ini posted the comment below on another thread on elders stepping down.
although i left the jw's years ago, i still hold a fascination for the evolution of the religion and am curious on what future trends and developments may occur.
so i thought i would start a thread on what future changes you think will occur in the organisation as the years go by, either doctrinally or organisationally:.
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Stand For Pure Worship, what convinces you that the governing body is being used by Jehovah? Thanks.
by The Quiet One ini struggled with this question before i got baptised.
what helped you to overcome any doubts?.
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wizzstick
There are couple of problems with your reasoning as far as I can see:
Jehovah has always used some form of organization and mediatorship to fulfill His purposes upon the Earth as it relates to spiritual direction. Examples that you probably think of immediately are Moses, Joshua, David, and Samuel, amongst other faithful servants found within the Hebrew Scriptures. In later times he used a governing body of faithful and experienced Christians to resolve disputes and provide spiritual direction.- Acts 15:22-31. That said,why wouldn't Jehovah do the same today?
But does god always have an organisation to use? In, for example, the 14th Century, what was God's organisation on earth?
There is no organization other than Jehovah's Witnesses under the direction of it's Governing Body, that is, spreading the good news of the Kingdom (Matt 24:14)
For Jehovah's Witnesses, the good news of the kingdom means preaching that Jesus Christ began ruling as King in 1914, and that we are now living in the Last Days. Then after Armegeddon, there will be a Great Crowd of survivors here on earth.
Why do Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Jesus started reigning as King in 1914? They beleive that 1914 marked the end of the Gentile Times that ran for 2,520 years from 537BCE to 1914CE. And that 537BCE comes from a 70 year period from 607BCE to 537BCE.
But 607BCE, when Witnesses believe that Jerusalem fell is wrong. Totally. The evidence is overwhelming. It is wrong.
With regards the Great Crowd they go to heaven. There are before (enopion - in sight of) God's throne, in Naos, the divine habitatiion (heaven).
So you see, the Witnesses message of the good news of te kingdom is utterly flawed. So you have to ask youself whhen has God ever sent his people out to preach falsehoods in his name?
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A House Divided Against Itself Falls-Luke 11:17
by Stand for Pure Worship inthat text reminds me of one of a handful of problems peculiar to the ex-jw community.
second only to the wild beast's internal divisions, is the divided makeup of the ex-jw populace.
you know the one thing that indicates jehovah's blessing upon the worldwide association of kingdom proclaimers, is not only the continued success of the preaching work, but along with it the unity and love amongst the brothers and sisters.
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wizzstick
for a conglomerate of folks that get off on accusing the WT of flip-flopping, the ex-JW community isnt exactly consistent ya know!
The one (massive) difference is that this community doesn't claim to be a under the direction of God's spirit.
To be fair, maybe it's me. Maybe I've been a JW so long that I cant imagine being part of any movement without unity and love amongst ourselves. How do you folks do it?
Yeah, it's hard. Painful, to begin with.
But as time goes on you realise how much easier life becomes. Less stressful. More enjoyable.
Examine JWFacts closely. Check the quotations.
I did. And slowly, but surely, realised that the Truth is not the Truth.
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Help with making a "timeline of beliefs"
by ILoveTTATT ini would like your help in making a "timeline of beliefs" for jw's... for example, i want to start with:.
"a jw/bs would have believed the following in 1880:.
the last days started in 1799.. jesus's parousia occurred in 1874.. jesus started reigning in 1878.. the end of the harvest will be in 1914.. the end of the gentile times will be in 1914.. the end of the world will be in 1914.. belief in the ransom sacrifice is vital for salvation.. hell is not a bible doctrine.. .
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wizzstick
I think most of the informattion you need to research is on:
http://dciscorp.com/qwotes/admin-site-map.htm#beliefs
Read through those and you should have all the dates you need - plus how they flex and change over time.
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Will you download the WT app on Monday?
by bytheirworks inwill you download the new watchtower app on monday?.
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wizzstick
The iPad up is up.
You need iOs6 or above to be able to download it.
It's huge - it's taken a fair while to download so far.
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BUM WITNESSES
by The Searcher incan anyone save me the stress of listening to the self-appointed faithful & discreet slave for 3 hours, and give a clue as to roughly at what point in the proceedings was the derogatory term 'bum witnesses used, and by whom?
i'd really love to extract that comment and send it to a weakening witness, to highlight the judgmental arrogance and name-calling being displayed.. many thanks in advance folks!.
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wizzstick
They read one little thing and all of a sudden they thought the end was coming in 75
One liitle thing?
Really?
Do read this one little page of quotes then:
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Talk out loud in public places...new preaching method? And go bags..
by snare&racket ini have been told of two things i had not heard of before.. one is a new preaching method, going to public places in a group e.g.
a cafe, and then talking of the topic quite loudly, for example maybe studying a watchtower or a chapter in a publication.
the idea being that people listen in and enquire etc etc.
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wizzstick
There was an item in the KM last year on Go Bags. It got the JWs excited around my neck of the woods.
I did point out that where we live it's not exactly disaster land. And what if the disaster strikes when you're at work...? A stony silence ensued.
As for 'Loud Witnessing' I'd like them to try that in front of some of the ex-JW's here.
"So what is your current understanding of 'generation'? Why did God allow you to preach and teach the old versions in his divine name given that they weren't true? For decades..."
Gah.
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NEWBIES are leaving like crazy! Be very afraid WT
by clarity in# 3 newbie post.
first of all, the newbies have set a record here!.
have you ever seen a 4pg post where 21 new members reply!
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Hey there, all you thirsty ones,
Come and drink life's water free.
Yes, come drink, you thirsty ones;
Guilt free you can be. -
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NEWBIES are leaving like crazy! Be very afraid WT
by clarity in# 3 newbie post.
first of all, the newbies have set a record here!.
have you ever seen a 4pg post where 21 new members reply!
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wizzstick
I joined years ago, but only started posting in June so you can add me to that list.
It does feel like a lot are waking up these days.
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Literature carts are the cruisiest way to preach ever - photo attached
by jwfacts init was a perfect spring day, and a jazz band were playing in the mall near my work.
in front of the band, two watchtower literature carts stood in solidarity.
i could not work out who were the jws attending them.
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wizzstick
I found one of these carts near a mainline train station the other day.
The two 'looking after' it were barely looking at it as they nattered away supping their Starbucks coffee. It really is a joke. No wonder publishers are lapping it up. Easy hours + coffee + chit chat = perfect Min.
And I've never seen a single person show any interest as yet.