i was disappointed in this book, i kept reading it hoping it would get better.
i guess i got spoiled by this forum.
i have found better writings and stories here and a heck of a lot more humor.
I'm reading it now. Its actually fairly funny. Of course that's just me. What I do like about it is it accurately captures JW living without just being a boring biography. Someone who was looking to find out how JW's are raised and think about things might find this book useful. I'm about a third through it.
Isaac
If my memory serves me correctly, the Jonadabs were to form the "great multitude". That may mean that they have morphed into the "great crowd", or should I say future "great crowd", since the "great crowd" don't exist till after the "great tribulation". So I guess the Jonadabs are the "other sheep", who will form the "great crowd". Thank goodness I no longer care beyond my usual interest in religion as a social force in society. All their terms and classes are headache inducing.
Isaac Carmignani
years ago, you could attend a meeting and hear a well researched talk or give an answer from the watchtower that had some "meat" on it.
i remember in the 70s when witnesses used to look forward to ruminating on what might be a "new point" or a veiled possible new understanding of a doctrinal view.. these days, the only thing you could learn from a meeting is that brother so-and-so got deleted or "is no longer a witness".. what a bore!.
Funny, I learned a lot years ago. But as time went on there was a dumbing down. When I gave parts I tried to restore that old depth I remembered. But even the pubs say little more than obey the "slave". There is very little to learn anymore at meetings. Or maybe it was that it became just so much repetition.
Isaac
and in a kinda funny way........this friend of mine.......who is very close friend of my df'd son and is much younger than me.....he has been dfd for ten years and shunned by his family and really reall misses them......and has been in a longterm gay relationship and i always felt bad for him because there is almost no way to come back in...then fade...if you are in a gay relationship.......so anyway he has heard me trashtalk wt a ton...and seemed to have zero problem with that and griped about his wt issues...... so i call him the other day and immediately respond with some comment about the damm cult.......we he says," wow oompa you prob don't know but i am going to all the meetings again!!
so i am just snap....."wow, that is amazing...i had no idea....are you just going back for family...and then try to fade?
" which is what i just knew had to be the case....and i even mentioned how that would be hard to do with his partner all it would be discovered.......get this....."oompa, i am doing this for me and not my family......they don't even know i am going so don't say anything"........so i am in shock and the more we talk the happier he sounds about da troof....and i mean he is like filled with the holy ghost......so i mentioned how many things we have talked about that they teach that we both dissagree about.......and he says he know they prob have some things wrong but all religions do.
This is why in the end I da'd myself. I have no worries on being outed. I know its not for everybody, but it sure feels good not looking over my shoulder.
Isaac
the new watchtower asks the question: "when was satan cast out of heaven?
- rev 12:1-9".
and the answer it gives is: "so, then, the bible does not reveal the exact time when satan and his demons were expelled from heaven.
I used to try to explain the discrepancies noted in this thread when I was an elder by refering to that "fully accomplished" comment they make. As in a human war, a period of time goes by. Victory or defeat for that matter doesn't come overnight. If war broke out in heaven it could have taken the four years for Jesus to win. Further the turmoil on earth was a by product of the greater turmoil in heaven. That's what I USED to teach. Now of course I know it's all BS.
Isaac Carmignani
i was disappointed in this book, i kept reading it hoping it would get better.
i guess i got spoiled by this forum.
i have found better writings and stories here and a heck of a lot more humor.
Just received and plan to read soon as I finish The God Delusion.
Isaac
i never did post this here.
i am posting it now for posterity's sake.
its been a few years, but, its good food for thought.
This is such a well written letter. Amazing how so many exits begin with an "interested" person calling 1914 into question. Your feelings on your JW friends mirror mine. I hope to see them again outside of the "organization".
Isaac Carmignani
i know- you aren't used to seeing me ask a simple question like this.
so- i'll start .
i am 49 years old, will be 50 in october .
The one on my profile is real. 42, feel like 20.
Isaac
I miss him too.
Isaac
personally, i love chicken pot pie with a real pie crust---not the flaky puff topping..
Valilla Swiss Almond ice cream by Haagen-Dazs. That pot pie isn't bad either.
Isaac
