Posts by freefly

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The greatest story ever told. This is the sun.

by freefly in

quoted some info from the greatest story ever told -this is the sun (god's sun.).

-the sun is the most adored object of all time.. -the christian religion is a parody on the worship of the sun.. -the tracking of the stars allowed them to recognize and anticipate events occurred over long periods of time, such as eclipses and full moons.

they in turn catalogued clestial groups into what we know today as constellations.. -one of the oldest conceptual images in human history reflects the sun as it figuratively passes through the 12 major constellations over the course of a year.

freefly

www.zeitgeistmovie.com

quoted some info from the greatest story ever told -this is the Sun (God's SUN.)

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-The Sun is the most adored object of all time.

-The Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the SUN.

-The tracking of the stars allowed them to recognize and anticipate events occurred over long periods of time, such as eclipses and full moons. They in turn catalogued clestial groups into what we know today as constellations.

-One of the oldest conceptual images in human history reflects the sun as it figuratively passes through the 12 major constellations over the course of a year. It also reflects the 12 months of the year, the 4 seasons, and the solstices and equinoxes. The term Zodiac relates to the fact that constellations were anthropomorphized, or personified, as figures, or animals.

-The early civilizations did not just follow the sun and stars, they personified them with elaborate myths involving their movements and relationships. The SUN with its life-giving and -saving qualities was personified as a representative of the unseen creator or god "God's Sun", the light of the world, the saviour of human kind.

-From ancient hieroglyphics in Egypt Horus, being the sun, or the light, had an enemy known as Set and Set was the personification of the darkness or night. Metaphorically speaking, every morning Horus would wint the battle against Set- while in the evening, Set would conquer Horus and send him into the underworld.

-Dark vs. Light or Good vs. Evil is one of the most ubiquitous mythological dualities ever known.

-By Dec. 22nd the Sun's demise was fully realized, for the Sun, having moved south continually for 6 months, makes it to it's lowest point in the sky. the Sun stops moving south, at least perceivably, for 3 days. During this 3 day pause the Sun resides in the vicinity of the Southern Cross, or Crux, constellation. After this time the Sun moves 1 degree, this time to the north, foreshadowing longer days, warmth, and Spring. And thus it was said: the Sun died on the cross, was dead for 3 days, only to be ressurrected or born again. It is the Sun's transition period before it shifts its direction back into the Northern Hemisphere, bringing Spring, and thus salvation.

-The number 12 in the bible has more to do with astrology than anything else. The 12: Aposties, Tribes of Israel, Judges of Israel, Great Patriarchs, Old Testament Prophets, Kings of Israel, Princes of Israel.

-Throughout the scripture there are numerous references to the "Age"

-The ancient Egyptians along with cultures long before them recognized that approximately every 2150 years the sunrise on the morning of the spring equinox would occur at a differnt sign of the Zodiac. From 4300 b.c. to 2150 b.c.- Age of Taurus, the Bull (golden bull calf) . From 2150 b.c. to 1 a.d.- Age of Aries- the Ram- (Moses represents the new Age of Aries, and upon the new age, everyone must shed the old age.). From 1 a.d. to 2150 a.d.-Age of Pisces- the 2 fish (Jesus is the figure who ushers in the age following Aries. Jesus feeds 5000 people with bread and "2 fish" the Sun's Kingdom during the Age of Pisces- pagan astrological symbolism. Luke 22:10 when Jesus is asked by his disciples where the next passover will be, Jesus replied: "Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you bearing a pitcher of water...(Aquarius) follow him into the house where he entereth in." 2150- Age of Aquarius.

-Matthew 28:20, where Jesus says "I will be with you even to the end of the world (mistranslation- actual word for world= "aeon" which means "age." "I will be with you even to the end of the age." Jesus's Solar Piscean personification with end when the Sun enters the Age of Aquarius.

- The reality is, Jesus was the Solar Deity of the Gnostic Christain sect, and like all other Pagan gods, he was a mythical figure. It was the political establishment theat sought to historize the Jesus figure for social control.

-Christianity, along with all other theistic belief systems, is the fraud of the age. It served to detach the species from the natural world, and likewise, each other. It supports blind submission to authority. It reduces human responsiblity to the effect that "God" controls everything, and in turn awful crimes can be justified in the name of the Divine Pursuit. Most importantly, it empowers those who know the truth but use the myth to manipulate and contol societies.

-The religious myth is the most powerful device ever created, and serves as the psychological soil upon which other myths can flourish.

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If you have watched the movie, please comment.

quote: "They must find it difficult....those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority." Gerald Massey.

thanx---freefly

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have u ever wonder why sisters wear skirts to the meeting?

by XOCO in

someone had told be the reason b4 but that was billions of years ago.

any way so why?.

xoco (ur annoyin' lilttle youngin').

freefly

quoting "bite me"

>actually if a hooker walks into a church that might be good for her maybe it will change her dirty ways. <

My community is doing "stings" with female officers undercover as hookers which results in lists of men that hire hookers along with their occupations/church they belong to/ published in local newspapers after they are charged. Huge cab/limo company that provide service to men re: service provided hired hookers driven around to pick up customers in limo, driven around for an hour and then customer dropped off was busted also. Listing names/personal info in the newspapers exposed Doctors in the community, Lawyers, church members etc.

Anyway Bite Me, I think it is a great system re: men in a congregation/org/church whatever, that "dress to code" attending with their wives and children, that hire hookers to provide service required by them- being exposed as hypocrites to the community rawks! re: exposing the men's dirty ways! Therefore a hooker walks into a church dressed as a hooker is not being a hypocrite.

I understood that "dress code" was to show respect for the borg, the problem would be why skirts when a plain blouse, casual dress pants shows just as much respect? Also it is not what people wear, it is their actions that display who they are.

Freefly

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Tell Me About Your Jehovah's Witness Mother...If You had One!

by new boy in

so since no one picked up the ball, after my thread on "your jw father".....here we go.... my mother (bless her heart) was born in kansas in 1926....her mother died in 1934, when my mother was 8 years old.

she died trying to give yourself an abortion with a coat hanger.

it was the "great depression".....she was 34 years old 4 kids and a 5th on the way...my grandfather would blow through town just long enough to "knock her up" and leave....no money....no hope.

freefly

How about my JW step mother?

Sweetest lady on the surface but in 26 yrs. knowing her she never once showed compasion for myself or her grandsons, re: she acted lovely and nice, but no action/ no time spent with her grandsons, no family bonding, no family outings, no action of caring, no expresion of love or hugs, no attachment re: no relationship. In fact she never once tried to witness to me, in conversation would only talk about the weather, the plants in her yard, her cats...(she cared more for her 9 stray cats than any of us.)

Grandpa left her many years ago (he is definately not JW)- My ex was raised with his father fighting with his mother due to her concept of belief. Her son is now my ex-partner (we lived common-law 26 yrs.) and a baptised JW- separating himself from his family.

When the boys were young they loved playing (normal) They had He Man swords and would raise them shouting......."He Man"..."power of the universe". She told them that Jehovah was the power of the universe- so they replaced with "Jehovah"..."power of the universe." I mentioned to her that I was the parent and she had no business teaching her concept of belief to them. I felt there was absolutely no harm in them having imaginary hero's and playing out fantasies. That was it- she decided I was not worthy and neither were her grandsons. I truly know I could never in my life cut off a bond with my grandchildren, as she has. Conditional love is all she will allow herself to give- my sons father will only visit with his boys now if that visit consists of him witnessing to them- re: conditional love.........separation of their relationship.

freefly

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Ken Miller on human evolution

by freefly in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8ffmbyckk&mode=related&search=.

do you believe we evolved from primates?

what are your arguments against human evolution?.

freefly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8FfMBYCkk&mode=related&search=

Do you believe we evolved from primates? What are your arguments against human evolution?

Intelligent Design states that living organisms must be the product of careful and conscious design, so perfectly formed that they cannot be explained by the random workings of evolution alone...

What is the JW concept?

Karen

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How can you be faithful yet not gullible or misled?

by The Dragon in

i hear all the time how leaders justify why people should buy into and follow their guesses...and the whole defense is if you don't you have no faith.. what protects a "faithful" person from becoming prey to a self-exalted leader and their guesses?

or are the faithful meant to be prey or something?.

freefly

hey,

i have instinct, inborn emotional impulse, intuition that i trust with confidence and have strong faith in.

Maybe this is stronger because i was raised by a single independant mother that instilled self convidence.

Not having a father led to me not trusting men, especially salesmen; preachers, car mechanics, teachers,...

When my ex-partner in life (26 yrs.) announced after 9-11 that he was going to start reading the JW bible, my instincts told me he was afraid. He expressed that he felt his mother was right...(raised by JW mom) In a short time I found watchtowers & JW bible hidden under his side of the bed so became aware that he was not just reading the bible, he was studying the watchtowers. My instincts? -sad that he was hiding this and no longer communicating his feelings with me. At this time I asked him to express what he thought would change in our relationship if he made the choice to follow through with his studies. His reaction was on the defensive....a silly question to ask, nothing would change as he loved me. I was not able to understand and in denial. One day I was out watering in our yard and he pulled in- I turned my head just in time to see him running to the door....he was dressed in his "wedding clothes" and had just come home from outing with his mom and little brother (hall meeting.) As his brother is very ill with schizophrenia my reaction was immense...instincts screaming louder than ever- why involve his mentally ill brother??? How the hell was that "true christian?" my emotions (instincts) were totally against taking his brother to be misled, when he was at the highest stage of gullible. This didn't show love or caring in my books, my instincts were to protect his brother.

Well, as it goes...according to him "I was over reacting (PMS) and haven't even read the bible so in no position to judge him." He had faith and was "in the truth." In my panic I called the nearest church (United) and asked for help. A minister came to my home and I expressed how afraid I was and didn't understand why. I asked for help from the bible that JW's interpreted wrong...I was angry at the time because the minister said he was in no position to judge them! He said if I did feel like reading the bible, to do it for myself and mentioned a few chapters. He invited me to come to church if I wished. He taught me a huge lesson that I am just learning now.

I spent many years trying to understand, this website is listed in "my favorites" and thanks to many that post here have found unlimited information. When 2 gentlemen JW's came to my door I asked questions....I had read that JW's want to be your friend, they want to share with you what they feel about this world, and they want to answer your questions. So I asked questions about their organization and was told that they would only answer questions about the bible. I asked my partner for information about the organization and he replied "what for? you just want to pick it apart" The JW's didn't come back for along time but when they did it was 2 ladies. I said I understood they wanted to answer my questions. They said "just give us six months with you, and then make your own decision...." they asked to come back for visit in my home, I said sure as long as they understood that this visit was not for a bible study. They came right on time and I invited them in. I started asking questions about their organization re: I had searched the bible on line for any verses relating to "organizations" and commented my feelings about....writing them down. I handed my paper to one lady to read. She appeared to be reading but stopped 1/2 way through and turned my paper down on the table commenting that "this was appostate material." I asked what appostate meant, she replied that the material was "against her faith." I asked how she could possibly make that decision so quickly....she replied my comments were not correct and felt I needed to study the bible with them.......I told them my interest was to study the WTO's history....they replied "there wasn't need to study history of the organization." I showed no interest in any published work they offered as my partner had tons of watchtowers, the JW bible, books, awake....... The next week I heard a knock at my door and when I answered found a watchtower, I ran up the street to find a JW lady and explained I did not request to have this delivered and gave it back to her. The next week the same 2 ladies came to my door, I answered and said "you are out door to door separating the sheep from the goats"....one started yelling and pointing her finger in my face "we are doing this because we love you" the other was yelling at the same time "what are you so afraid of?." I said I am not afraid, just wanted to ask questions about your organization and read the history. I asked what happened when they were door to door and someone refused their publications? Were they ticked off the list as "goats?" I asked how they considered that this was the process of spreading the good news? They told me that I would not be able to understand the bible without studying it with their help...I told them they were not welcome to my home and slammed my door (pure instinct and faith in myself and what I feel)

Soon after my partner stated we could no longer have intimacy but could still live in our home together- sleeping in separate bedrooms, no kissing, hugging, holding hands. Then proceeded to sit at the table and eat the meals I cooked, make arrangements socially visiting with friends and family together like everything was as before- I made the decision that intimacy was far more than sexual and couldn't live in the same home without being intimate.

I have had many emotions separating from my partner in life: agonizing despise #1, betrayal, distress, agitation, heartbreak, abandonment...oh, he says...no way did I abandon you...I say yes you did the moment you decided to become captive of your concept...you abandoned our relationship, your relationship with our sons, our family, separated yourself from the world. I never had any plans to be married as we were comitted to each other and raising the boys without marriage (26 yrs.) In his heart our relationship has been "sin" without marraige...(#1 step of abandoning our relationship) and if i really loved him I would marry him.......so he could be baptised? when 9-11 happened he thought armageddon was happening and has accepted this concept bred by his mother out of "fear." He thinks he is faithful but never gullible or misled- i cannot see in his actions a "christian" as he is not honest, a man dressed up in righteousness. So, it's taken me many years to follow my lesson learned from the minister of united church---if he was in no position to judge JW's, I certainly am not in that position. My life has certainly become brighter since I was judging him and the WTO, maybe one day I will sit down and read the bible on my own choice!

freefly

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BC parents back in court

by Stealth453 in

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/sextuplets_court

freefly

So clearly as Jehovah's Witnesses the couple believed that life begins at conception, and the discarding of embryos is essentially the termination of a human life. The couple was clearly educated with common medical knowledge that fertility treatments often result in multiple pregnancies, that multiple pregnancies often result in severely premature birth and that severely premature infants often require blood transfusions.

The Ontario-based director of public information for the Jehovah's Witnesses Watchtower Bible Society, Mark Ruge said "that while the Bible obviously says nothing about high-tech fertility treatments -- a form of which was likely used to produce the sextuplets -- it is clear on blood transfusions." On fertility treatments, it is willing to look the other way. "The Bible doesn't comment on that subject at all and in Bible times there was no such technology," Witness spokesperson Mark Ruge told the Canadian Press in January. "On matters other than what's stipulated in the Bible, it's up to a person's conscience or their free choice."

What I cannot understand is how the couple educated on in vitro fertilization (IVF) made the decision to follow through with IVF being aware that multifetal pregnancy reduction may be required along with blood transfusions?? When their pregnancy was confirmed for sextuplets the parents were aware that the odds were against the delivery of six healthy babies. Hellins Law approximates the odds of naturally born sextuplets at around one in five billion. Half of babies born at 24 or 25 weeks will die in hospital, and many of the survivors will have severe lifelong handicaps. Doctors said the mother had the choice to abort some of the fetuses at 12 weeks to give the remainder a better chance of life and health. She was offered the option again at 18 weeks. Later, she was given the opportunity not to have the babies resuscitated at birth. Each time she refused.

According to Timothy Rowe, head of the infertility division at the University of British Columbia, "all but two babies are usually aborted when infertility treatments result in three or more fetuses. This is done to safeguard the health and survival of the two remaining fetuses. The procedure is called a multifetal pregnancy reduction, and it is usually carried out at about 10 or 11 weeks."

"As Jehovah's Witnesses," said the father, "we believe that to have aborted any of our sextuplets would be a profound disregard for life and violation of God's law."

The number of embryos to be transferred- Some countries have legislation with limit to the maximum number of embryos to be transferred such as United Kingdom, France, Australia and Germany. Some countries have guidelines specify limit but no enforcement mechanism such as Egypt, USA and Japan. Whereas, some countries have neither legislation nor guidelines such as Greece and Canada.

The Roman Catholic Church is opposed to in vitro fertilisation in all instances and advocates that infertility is a call from God to adopt children. It "infringe[s] the child's right to be born of a father and mother known to him and bound to each other by marriage."Also, embryos are discarded in the process, causing them to die. Catholics and many people of other faiths see embryos as human lives with the same rights as all others and, therefore, view this procedure as always unacceptable.

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Witnesses play down transfusions for premature sextuplets

by freefly in

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=fcbed172-f4b3-4d3e-8dc0-1fa34a2c959c&k=1815.

(bc canada).

vancouver - the jehovah's witnesses national organization issued a statement wednesday in an attempt to quell widespread media speculation about the medical treatment of sextuplets born prematurely to a woman at b.c.

freefly

this article may explain better:

http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=b0fc9fd4-35b8-4044-8c97-35efdd6136dc&k=81087

VANCOUVER - The British Columbia government says it's ready to step in to protect the health rights of premature sextuplets born in Vancouver.

While the parents of the six babies have remained anonymous in the midst of increasing public scrutiny, they have acknowledged they are Jehovah's Witnesses. The sect's well-known belief that God forbids blood transfusions could lead to a courtroom clash over medical and religious rights.

The babies, born at 25 weeks gestation, are about the size of a hand and weigh only 700 to 800 grams.

It is common for premature babies to require blood transfusions due to the number of tests they undergo leading to blood loss.

An official with the Ministry of Children and Family Development, speaking generally, said the government is prepared to take temporary custody of any children whose lives are at risk.

He would not comment on whether the government has contacted the parents.

All health-care workers have a legal duty to report to the ministry cases where parents have refused a doctor's recommended treatment that puts a child's life at risk.

''We would then assess and ensure appropriate steps have been taken to ensure the child's safety. In other words, we'd confer with medical experts involved and in cases where they deem treatment is necessary to preserve a child's life, then it'd be necessary for us to seek a court order - and that's what we'd do,'' said the official.

Such a court order was sought in 2005 for a Jehovah's Witness teenager, who was ordered by the B.C. Supreme Court to undergo blood transfusion as part of her cancer treatment.

She later received bloodless treatment in New York after negotiating with the B.C. government.

The national spokesman for Jehovah's Witnesses in Canada would not comment on what the church would do if the government intervened.

Mark Ruge, church spokesman, says the choice of treatment remains a private matter between the parents and the medical team.

''It is important for the media and others to avoid making stereotypical assumptions regarding Jehovah's Witnesses,'' said Ruge.

He emphasized doctors have treated premature babies without blood transfusions by ''careful attention to minimal blood sampling, clinical acceptance of lower hemoglobin levels, use of erythropoietin and iron to stimulate natural production of red blood cells and other recognized medical procedures.''

But clarifications over the years have only made things more confusing for many followers.

In 2000, the official Watchtower church magazine stated due to ambiguity in the Bible, followers may now take certain components of blood for medical treatment.

While the ban on blood transfusion remains, the new directive opened the door for use of such compounds as hemoglobin, obtained from fractioning red blood cells.

But a schism within the tightly disciplined sect has led some followers to go as far as campaigning for a stop to the blood ban.

The Associated Jehovah's Witnesses for Reform on Blood, founded in 1997 by dissenting elders, promotes reform of the ''irrational aspects'' of the blood policy.

The group protects its members' identities, and asks those looking to join its e-mail list to avoid using their real names.

Its website lists Jehovah's Witnesses who have died for refusing blood transfusions.

[email protected]

Vancouver Province

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Witnesses play down transfusions for premature sextuplets

by freefly in

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=fcbed172-f4b3-4d3e-8dc0-1fa34a2c959c&k=1815.

(bc canada).

vancouver - the jehovah's witnesses national organization issued a statement wednesday in an attempt to quell widespread media speculation about the medical treatment of sextuplets born prematurely to a woman at b.c.

freefly

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=fcbed172-f4b3-4d3e-8dc0-1fa34a2c959c&k=1815

(BC Canada)

VANCOUVER - The Jehovah's Witnesses national organization issued a statement Wednesday in an attempt to quell widespread media speculation about the medical treatment of sextuplets born prematurely to a woman at B.C. Women's Hospital.spokesman Mark Ruge said the statement was issued as a response to the stories, and that it's premature to speculate about the need for medical and legal intervention...

The Jehovah's Witnesses statement was released after front-page stories in national and Vancouver newspapers Wednesday indicating the issue of the babies' treatment may end up in court because of the blood-transfusion ban.....

_________________________

Hi!

I am writing a letter to our Vancouver Sun newspaper in response to this statement:

''It is important for the media and others to avoid making stereotypical assumptions regarding Jehovah's Witnesses,'' the statement said....

"avoid making stereotypical assumptions"

freefly

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Why are there so few atheists in the USA?

by moshe in

i read a poll today that said atheists numbered 26% in israel.

russia and europe were about the same percentage, too.

the united states had the fewest at only 1% who identified as atheists.

freefly

Theism - the belief that God exists.
Weak atheism - the lack of belief in any deity.
Strong atheism - the belief that no deity exists.
Agnosticism - the belief that the existence or non-existence of God is not known or cannot be known

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_religion

"Do we have any good reason to think that God does (or does not) exist?", is equally important in the philosophy of religion. Listed above as the 4 main positions with regard to the existence of God that one might take.

Strong atheism is the belief that deities do not exist.

Weak atheism is the category including everyone who is neither a theist nor a strong atheist.

Strong atheists are necessarily explicit atheists: they consciously reject theism.

Weak atheists, however can be either explicit or implicit atheists. Implicit atheists don't have theistic beliefs, but they have not consciously rejected those beliefs (possibly because they haven't heard of them). Some people consider infants to be implicit atheists (and therefore weak atheists); others maintain that to be considered any kind of an atheist, one must must be old enough, (and otherwise have the mental capacity) to be able to believe or disbelieve in gods if the idea of gods should be presented.

Agnosticism is distinct from weak atheism, though most weak atheists may be agnostics, and most agnostics may be weak atheists.

freefly

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Marijuana & Schizophrenia

by ICBehindtheCurtain in

hi guys, i was researching this because of something that's going on with a family member, and i found it quite interesting since some other family members who we have tried counseling on the use of this substance told us that marijuana is not addictive, that it's an innocent plant and is not harmful yadayadayada, yeah right!

i intend to go over this with our kids and make sure they understand the documented dangers of this very popular drug.

i just wanted to share it with you all.

freefly

My son tried lsd when he was 14 and spent 3 months in mental hospital on every type of meds. available-

He was phychotic. He ended up taking lithium for 1 year diagnosed with manic depressive disorder and then he went off his medication completely. Now is 28 and never had another episode.... Doctors say that "drug induced phycosis" was the correct diagnosis.

I remember being told as a teenager in 1980's not to use lsd because of the danger of "freaking out"---- you could become "a vegetable" was the warning. In other words: p eople with any biological predisposition towards mental illness are at highest risk- when street drugs are used, and this has been known for many many years.

In BC Canada -indoor grow operations have become an enormous and lucrative illicit industry, producing a potent form of marijuana that has come to be commonly known as BC Bud. Canadian officials estimate that cannabis cultivation in British Columbia is a six billion-dollar annual industry. Growers produce cannabis plants with powerful buds, using sophisticated hydroponic cultivation techniques. While the term BC Bud literally refers to the bud of the female cannabis plant grown in British Columbia, the term has become synonymous in the popular media for high-potency BC-grown marijuana.

I have had type 1 diabetes for 40 years and yearly I visit my eye doctor to be told that my eyes are perfect- the specialist cannot tell I have diabetes when looking in my eyes and that amazes him- he cannot even find a micro anerism which is common in normal eyes.......................

BC Bud has many health benifits for myself.

freefly