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  What is the financial situation for a couple who live and work at Walkill?

  by rickroll in

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  i have a married cousin who has moved to work at the walkill farm.

  what is the financial situation of someone like this?

  i would assume they do not build social security or medicare.

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  sir82

  As Crazyguy wrote, it could be that he has just accepted a temporary assignment of a few weeks or months. If so, then his only compensation is room & board for the time he is there.
  
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  What is the financial situation for a couple who live and work at Walkill?

  by rickroll in

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  i have a married cousin who has moved to work at the walkill farm.

  what is the financial situation of someone like this?

  i would assume they do not build social security or medicare.

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  sir82

  Is he a full-time Bethelite?

  If so, he would have signed an agreement to join the "special order of full time servants" (don't recall the exact name). It's basically a "vow of poverty", such as monks & nuns sign.

  They will get a small stipend (a few hundred dollars per month at most), but also have all their food, clothing, shelter, and medical expenses covered.

  Neither Bethel nor he will contribute to Social Security nor Medicare while he is in the "special order".

  The only way he can "get ahead on finances" is if he has wealthy & sympathetic friends or relatives who give him substantial "gifts". Some Bethelites make out like bandits, but most are wholly dependent on Bethel for survival.

  If they leave or are kicked out, in general, they are on their own and will have to rebuild their lives.
  

  Some long-term (20+ years of service) Bethelites who are "reassigned" (kicked out) might get reassigned as "special pioneers", who get a slightly larger stipend & still have their medical expenses covered, but are on their own for food & shelter.
  
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  BLONDIE’S FIRST THOUGHTS REVIEW 8-18-19 (JUNE 2019)(PAGES 8-13)(OVERTURN REASONING)

  by blondie in

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  blondie’s first thoughts review 8-18-19 (june 2019)(pages 8-13)(overturn reasoning).

  https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2019441?q=overturn&p=sen.

  excellent general website: www.jwfacts.com .

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  sir82

  The Awake masthead for decades, until 1995:

  This magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the

  generation that saw the events of 1914 pass away.

  (Bolding mine)
  

  So...let's apply this Watchtower article's reasoning.

  Did God really say that the generation that saw the events of 1914 would not pass away before Armageddon?

  Evidently not.

  That statement that appeared in every Awake magazine for decades was false.
  

  So who lied - God or the Watchtower Organization?

  If it was God, why should we worship him?

  If it was the organization, why should we trust them? What other words have they put in "the Creator's" mouth that are, or will be, demonstrably false?
  
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  "Armageddon is imminent!"

  by nowwhat? in

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  remember top shelf tony da turd broadcasting that world wide 2 years ago at the end of the convention?

  well 2 years later do we see the slightest hint of the nation's declaring peace and security or going after religion?

  so how was it imminent?

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  sir82

  It's closer than the inside of your eyelid!

  Don't buy any green bananas!

  We're in the last seconds of the last days!

  <Yawn>...same crap I've been hearing for the past 50+ years.
  
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  Simple Thought Experiment with a stunning premise!

  by Terry in

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  thought experimenttake the classic definitions of "god" and deconstruct it layer by layer by asking achingly simple questions.ready?

  set?

  go!_____god is (fill in the blank with the usual definitions).

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  sir82

  "It's a mystery"

  The preferred refuge of theists, when confronted with logic, for thousands of years.
  
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  NOAH and his impossible struggle to refute Math Physics & Earth Science

  by Terry in

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  alice laughed: "there's no use trying," she said; "one can't believe impossible things.".

  "i daresay you haven't had much practice," said the queen.

  "when i was younger, i always did it for half an hour a day.

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  sir82

  Terry, Terry, Terry....

  I have had it explained to me quite clearly by eminent WT Bible scholars that before the flood, the highest mountains were only a few thousand feet high.

  The force of so many millions of tons of water caused the mountains to grow from a few thousand feet to 29,000+ feet, over the course of the year the earth was flooded.

  Plate tectonics, shplate tectonics. This is all Bible-based.
  
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  Powerful Sayings That Means A Lot For You Personally

  by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

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  just was thinking how some powerful quotes, remarks, sayings hit the mark with me and how much it enriched/ enhamced/influences my life.

  love beyond color.

  reality is that which when you no longer believe in it , does not go away.. “the truth is a battle of perceptions.

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  sir82

  Never take rock for granite.
  
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  "2,450 at a convention. Look at the empty seats . Tx...Frisco"

  by Xjw csaSurvivors in

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  source :.

  https://twitter.com/jepthahsdaughte/status/1162740218031681542?s=20.

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  1) This looks like a photo taken well before the session starts

  2) Even if not, maybe only 2500 or so were assigned to this convention? The WTS doesn't assign so many people to a convention location that it would overflow.
  
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  Did Jesus die on a stake or pole?

  by sweetyj in

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  we already know how jws will respond ( on a pole).

  but i found an article that talks about jws views on how jesus died.

  i didn't know that there was a time when jws accepted the cross unlike now.

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  sir82

  Here's something I've always wondered about - I've never found an answer to it.

  OK, yes, the basic meaning of stauros is "upright pole".

  But, there is ample evidence (Tacitus, Josephus, et al) that the Romans used an upright pole with a crossbeam (i.e., a cross) to execute prisoners in the first century.

  So, suppose you are a first century Koine Greek writer.

  If stauros can only mean "upright pole without a crossbeam" (the WTS position), then what word would I use, in Koine Greek, to signify "upright pole with a crossbeam"? Such instruments definitely did exist.
  

  If there is no separate word (and I suspect there is not, though I have not been able to confirm that), then the WTS's position, that stauros must mean "without a crossbeam", is as weak an argument as I can imagine.
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  Who really is the faithful and discreet* slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?

  by Alex Williams in

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  this statement was answered in a form of a question to a question posed by one of his followers;.

  jesus realized that composite slave had to qualify for such an appointment when he came into power of his kingdom promised by jehovah god.

  [and they came to life and ruled as kings with the christ+ for 1,000 years].

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  sir82

  Sigh.

  Don't feed the troll.

  This poster just regurgitates his spin on JW teachings then runs away, afraid to engage in discussion.

  A pity - at first he was responding to posts, but as he was a complete and utter failure at defending his beliefs, now he just posts one opening statement, then tucks his tail between his legs and runs away.