Who really is the faithful and discreet* slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?

by Alex Williams 52 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Alex Williams
    Alex Williams

    This statement was answered in a form of a question to a question posed by one of his followers;

    Jesus realized that composite slave had to qualify for such an appointment when he came into power of his Kingdom promised by Jehovah God

    [And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ+ for 1,000 years]

    JWs believe this was in 1914 -1919 when he came into power,since Jesus when on earth was concerned about his sheep being spiritually fed how much more so being in heaven and becoming King.

    John 21-17 GNT

    Jesus said to him, “Take care of my lambs.” 16 A second time Jesus said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?”

    “Yes, Lord,” he answered, “you know that I love you.”

    Jesus said to him, “Take care of my sheep.” 17 A third time Jesus said, “Simon son of John, do you love me?”

    Peter became sad because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” and so he said to him, “Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you!”

    Jesus said to him, “Take care of my sheep.

    What was the mainstream Churches involved in the great war in 1914?

    https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/the_churches

    So main stream religious organizations were actively involved in the war



    Unity Among Catholic, Protestant, and Jewish American Soldiers

    When the United States entered the First World War, the most prominent religious groups were Catholics, Protestants, and Jews. The conflict served to unite these religions

    For national churches such as The Church of England, war was heavily supported. They felt that it was their duty to pray for soldiers because they needed the grace of God

    Members from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints’ participation on World War I provided an opportunity for members of the Church to clearly define themselves to the world

    So main stream religious organizations were actively involved in the war,blessing the weapons of death

    What were Zions Watchtower doing during the great war of 1914 :


    So Jesus looked at who was preaching his Kingdom,who was neutral in the world war and who was still feeding his sheeplike followers. Jehovahs Witnesses proved to be that wise Slave not any religions of Christendom

    "Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so!+ 47 Truly I say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings"

    He found the Watchtower doing his will when he came to power and appointed them over all his earthy treasure.No matter how much they are criticized,attacked and accused they are Gods channel for spiritual food in these last days

  • punkofnice
    punkofnice

    July 15, 2011 WT ‘’Well, apostates are 'mentally diseased', and they seek to infect others with their disloyal teachings." ‘’7 What is involved in avoiding false teachers? We do not receive them into our homes or greet them. We also refuse to read their literature, watch TV programs that feature them, examine their Web sites, or add our comments to their blogs.’’

  • stillin
    stillin

    Let's not be stubborn about it. There have been way too many off-target teachings that the WT has promulgated to blindly insist that a few things done right would qualify the WT as God's sole channel of truth. This would be like saying that God has made mistakes.

    One mistake that God did not make is His giving us the ability to think things out, rather than having us wear blinds and not look to the left or right.

  • asp59
    asp59

    Who are the slave class is decided under GB. You dont win a race when it just started right? Maybe no class have been Up to standars.

  • punkofnice
  • benny
    benny

    The writers of the finished mystery among others would be mentally diseased then. Do yourself a favour and try find the truth in those publications Alex. Or are we to sweep old light under the rug.

    You quote so much from the publications but be warned that the doctrines will keep changing.

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    Alex

    Can you tell me the names of the ones Jesus appointed in Brooklyn as his Faithful and Discrete Slave in 1919?

  • johnamos
    johnamos

    In regards to Matthew 24:45-47 on the topic of ‘the faithful slave’, verse 45 is merely asking the question of ‘who is’, and verse 46 goes on to state that ‘the slave’ that is found doing so, ‘on the master’s arrival’(future arrival at Matt 24:30), ‘is who’ at that time be found to be ‘faithful’ and appointed over the master’s belongings.

    In other words, ‘the slave’ is just a ‘slave’ prior to the master’s arrival and it is up to the master upon his arrival (future arrival at Matt 24:30) to determine what slave/s are ‘faithful or not. It is not up to the slave/s themselves to determine their own faithfulness.

    To further demonstrate this, please consider the following scriptures. (Matthew 25:14,19,21,23,26-27 Luke 19:13,15,17,22-23) As can be seen, the master summoned ‘SLAVES’, not faithful ones, nor wicked ones, just ‘SLAVES’. But it is on the master’s arrival that he then determines which of those ‘SLAVES’ were faithful or wicked. The point being is that it is presumptuous for the ‘slave/s’ to consider/call themselves ‘faithful’ presently, when that is something that is for the master to determine/say when he arrives. In fact to the contrary ‘the slaves’ when calling themselves anything, the master himself said what is found at Luke 17:10

    Another point on this is that the terms ‘the faithful and discreet slave class/the faithful and discreet slave /the faithful slave class/the faithful slave/the slave class‘ or ‘Governing Body‘, should not be used as titles…

    [12-1-19 WT- “Thousands of the readers of Pastor Russell’s writings believe that he filled the office of “that faithful and wise servant,” and that his great work was giving to the Household of Faith meat in due season. His modesty and humility precluded him from openly claiming this title,]

    [6-1-01 WT- Jesus set out the principle: “Do not you be called Rabbi, for one is your teacher, whereas all you are brothers. Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One. Neither be called ‘leaders,’ for your Leader is one, the Christ. But the greatest one among you must be your minister.” (Matthew 23:8-11) A congregation of brothers precludes having a proud clergy class that honors itself with high-sounding titles and elevates itself above a laity.]

    Just as Russell’s modesty and humility precluded him from openly claiming such a title, an angel of Jehovah’s that the apostle John fell down to the feet of to worship, and had to be warned not to do so, that angel himself referred to himself as being ‘only a fellow slave’…

    Now speaking of the account that John had to be warned by the angel not to worship him (Revelation 22: 8,9) and given the account of the Israelite’s who desired to have a visible image made with the claim that it represented Jehovah, in which Jehovah viewed as idolatrypeople today can be guilty of idolatry to an organization (or group of men) that claim to represent Jehovah, by giving it (them) undue devotion, praise, respect, adoration, love, worship, etc…

    [9-15-95 WT- ‘The Golden Calf’ And the people said: “All that Jehovah has spoken we are willing to do and be obedient.”—Exodus 24:7. Nevertheless, the Israelites soon sinned against God. They were still encamped at the foot of Mount Sinai. Moses had been on the mountain many days, receiving further instruction from God, and the people pressured Moses’ brother, Aaron, to make a god for them. Aaron complied and made a calf out of gold that the people provided. It was claimed that this idol represented Jehovah. (Psalm 106:20) The next day they offered sacrifices and kept “bowing down to it.” Then they had “a good time.”—Exodus 32:1, 4, 6, 8, 17-19.]

    [4-1-07 WT- ‘Showing Due Respect for the Faithful Slave‘ A fundamental reason for showing proper respect for the faithful slave class is that by so doing, we are in fact showing respect for the Master, Jesus Christ.…Therefore, when we loyally submit to the direction of the faithful slave and its Governing Body, we are submitting to Christ, the slave’s Master….For this reason, all in the congregation view it as their sacred duty to follow and uphold the direction coming from the faithful slave and its Governing Body]

    [12-1-90 WT- We have the opportunity to show love for our brothers who take the lead in the congregation or in connection with Jehovah’s visible organization worldwide. This includes being loyal to “the faithful and discreet slave.” (Matthew 24:45-47) Let us face the fact that no matter how much Bible reading we have done, we would never have learned the truth on our own.]

    [11-1-90 WT- Further direction comes from “the faithful and discreet slave” class of anointed Christians. These have been helped by Jehovah’s spirit to understand his will progressively. (Matthew 24:45-47; Proverbs 4:18) Thus, when direction comes from Jehovah’s organization, we can wisely submit to it,]

    [11-15-09 WT- By word or action, may we never challenge the channel of communication that Jehovah is using today. (Num. 16:1-3) On the contrary, we should cherish our privilege to cooperate with the slave class.]

    [2-15-09 WT- Since Jehovah God and Jesus Christ completely trust the faithful and discreet slave, should we not do the same?]

    [4-15-13 WT- How do we demonstrate our support for the arrangements made by Jehovah’s organization? One important way is by always putting our confidence in the ones whom Jehovah and Jesus trusting]

    [Psalm 146:3 Do not put YOUR trust in nobles, Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs.]

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    Veneratea feeling of awe, respect; reverence-deep respect for someone or something

    Adoration- the act of paying honor, as to a divine being; worship.

    Sacred dutyworthy of religious worship: very holy, highly valued and important: deserving great respect

    Devotion– love, loyalty, or enthusiasm for a person, activity, or cause

    Loyalfaithful to any leader, party, or cause, or to any person or thing conceived as deserving fidelity

    Submitto defer to another’s judgment, opinion, decision, etc.

    Cherishto hold or treat as dear; feel love for

    Confidence full trust; belief in the powers, trustworthiness, or reliability of a person or thing

    Trustreliance on the integrity, strength, ability, surety, etc., of a person or thing;

    [Insight Vol 1 IDOL, IDOLATRY- An idol is an image, a representation of anything, or a symbol that is an object of passionate devotion, whether material or imagined. Generally speaking, idolatry is the veneration, love, worship, or adoration of an idol. It is usually practiced toward a real or supposed higher power, whether such power is believed to have animate existence (as a human, an animal, or an organization) or is inanimate (as a force or lifeless object of nature).]


  • TD
    TD

    I'm struggling to think of anything that Russell taught that Jehovah's Witnesses still accept today.

  • nowwhat?
    nowwhat?

    If not going to war is your criteria for who the fds is. Then what about the amish?

    Quick summary of false teachings at the time.

    Bible prophecy understood by measurements of the great pyramid. Last days started in 1799 Jesus came to power in 1874 . the rider on the white horse in revelation is the pope. After being declared the fds Rutherford spewed out new false prophecy the end was now coming in 1925. (This is what led to the so called Re energizing of the preaching work) there's a lot more I could share

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