There was a controversy. You know the kind. When it is time for the meeting to divide up so everyone can give talks. I was giving a talk that night and another brother was my householder. WE all know that is not allowed in the hall. Anyway everyone knew I was not ordinary to begin with. The brother counciled me on my talk and gave me a work on it. Oh yeah right! I knew this brother very well. He was a good friend of the family and I was so upset. I blurted out, that is not fair, you know how hard I worked on this talk. We started argueing back and forth during the meeting. The brother who had been my householder turned all shades of red. Oh yeah...Ricky told me sister we will discuss it after the meeting tonight, Ok. Everyone was laughing as Ricky was now all flustered.
Later he explained that I was not allowed to use brothers in the presentation. I took the grade W and said Ok.
Yep, nothing like a good discussion to get the brothers flustered.
cathy
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Anyone have any controversial "meeting&quo...
by Waygooder64 indoes anyone have any really cool stories about fights,arguments or anything else controversial that happened at the kh or a book study?
the reason i ask is that what happened to danni and her partner will be talked about for ages at that particular hall.
when i was about 16 i once saw 2 brothers arguing over who would take the service group that weekend.the whole congregation was about as quiet as a mouse pissing on a cottonball!
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Ex-Jw Book studies,anyone
by badboy inanyone thought of doing`ex-jw book studies?.
suggested book titles.. studies in the jws.. millions now living have been deceived!.
thy kingdom not came.. `can we give you a study of why jws are wrong'?.
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TR, You just showed your age with the paradise lost book. Way to go.
How about: The finished mystery book, or life everlasting in the freedom of the sons of Man..let me see
Life forever gone in the governing body
Their mystery is revealed.
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I Went in Field Service Yesterday!!
by Valentine ini must say i thoroughly enjoyed doing streetwork for the first time in my life!!.
it was really cold here in chicago yesterday,snow clouds looming in the sky.
about 10 am i decided to run home for my cofee break.. as i rushed down the main street,walking quickly,i saw 2 groups of jw's w/ their mags on the main street near home.. i haven't seen any around my territory since last spring.. humph i thought.. i double-timed it home,bundled up,grabbed my stacks of silentlambs posters and ran back to the main street.. i stood on the corner,several feet ahead of them and started saying hi to passers by.
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Good Job Valentine! After you left JWs you never thought you would be doing street work again, didya?
I am impressed!
cathy
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Are Jehovah's Witnesses evil?
by SexyTeen ini am shocked at the many accusations against jehovah's witnesses in this forum.. i know that i am young, but most of my family are jws and they are good people and i love them.
even my worldly family is very nice and i do not shun them.
the friends in the hall are very nice also.
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Sexyteen,
After reading your post I was taken back to my youth. I was born and bred a JWs until my son was molested and the elders told me they were going to take action against me for opening the door to where my 3yr old son was suppose to go up against his perpetator and the three elders. My whole life flashed in front of me as they began telling me how little faith I had and I had allowed jehovahs spirit out the door. They sat my young son right next to her in the elders meeting. Yah, I kind of lost a part of me when I decided to open that door and take my son away as the elders did not listen to me when I had expressly asked them to make sure he is seated away from her.
My father was an elder and my mother a pioneer. I never wanted to disrespect my parents as they had given me everything. My father stepped down after I told him i started to smoke. This was years after all this.
In life you should question everything. Abuse you say, there wouldn't be any if more parents were in control of their kids. Hum, I never allowed anyone to baby-sit my four kids, except their aunt who happened to be a JWs. Even after she plead guilty in a court of law the elders still would not disfellowship her as there were no eyewitnesses of what she had done to my 3yr old son.
Doesn't it make you wonder with all their false prophecies and life dispensing rules how true this religion could actually be? Who has the right to govern our lives? Only we do! With the bible's help we can all learn to love one another as when Jesus came to earth he told us that all other commandments are to be absolved and that there were two commandments to love God and your neighbor. I don't see that the JWs have brought much love to others. In fact there are some who wish they could commit suicide to get rid of the pain and guilt they feel inside themselves. We all had to make choices about standing up for our human rights or allowing others to dictate to us what is right and wrong. Some have never been disfellowshipped, they just don't have the same point of view. Does that make them wrong? I think not as God kept telling us to make the truth our own. Keep searching.As far as I am concerned, Jws are just another religion to keep people in line. People need to have freedom to make choices and not be chastized for it. That is the only way people learn and grow. Jws encourage stifling of this growth.
I wish you the best in college. I know you will learn so much and experience things that seem out of the ordinary. Remember in life, everything is for a lesson to be learned.
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It'll be a COLD day in hell...
by JanH in...before we see this happen in the usa, i fear:.
norway minister marries gay partner.
oslo, norway (ap) - finance minister per-kristian foss has married his gay companion, becoming the first member of a norwegian government to enter a binding homosexual partnership.
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It is about time society got their thumbs out of their ass. Vermont is a state were gay people can marry. They have set a trend. Vermont does not go by the norm of this country and I am so glad. Although there is a bill in congress 3379 that they are dumping millions of dollars in to fight the gay rights bill. This is only for the state of massachusetts
It is time America started realizing life is changing and go with the flow.
Vermont gets two thumbs up from my corner of the woods.
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How could we all get along better together???
by Celtic inwithout being slagged off for opinions expressed, without being ridiculed often, without constant smart ass one liners and put downs, how could we given the opportunity get along better together?
not utopia, not this, not that, just a simple question in need of simple upbuilding replies that enable this place more to reflect the care for others it supposedly sets out to achieve.. any comments?.
here we go (rolling his eyes) .... peace.
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Tatiana,Xena,
Great posts. Others who I can't remember said awesome things also. Love is the biggest lesson to learn in life. So we may not have learned it to good as a JWs, but we are learning it in our lives with all those we meet and our families and of course here. Were we are tolerated for having a different opinion.
Celtic,
You rock! Showing love and allowing ourselves to be loved is about the hardest thing as ex jws we will ever do. Alot of us saw so much hypocrisy and everyday dislikes and gossip at the hall that we are skeptical of what others say due to our own upbringing. Letting it all go is so hard for all of us. Remember the post about stress...who needs it? We gave them those years out of blind faith, our lives are our choice now. Learning about love is hard. It is even harder to allow ourselves to be loved for who we are as we were always found short as a Jws.
Everything that needs to be said was already said. Have a great day everyone, know god still loves us no matter what road we take.
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The meeting did not go well.
by Danni init would have taken more much more time to tell it all.
he told us the meeting would began as soon as the other brothers arrived.
danni: i will give you two.
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Joelbear, Yordorf,
I have seen this several times. Meetings during a meeting. OH yeah, especially because they didn't want to be alone and wanted the whole congregation to witness this, this makes it more more realistic when they do go to court. Especially if Danni didn't have a tape recorder.
My father stepped down as an elder after working so hard to be one. His main concern was not being able to talk to me since I was smoking and if they found out I would be disfellowshipped. Like he told me before he died, how could I sit in judgement of others when I didn't feel what they did was wrong? His heart hurt for so many. My dad was a real human with real feelings. His last words to me on the phone saturday before he died that thursday were "Cath, I love you, find happiness no matter where it takes you."
Why do we all look at Danni as she is making this up? The things that she stated rang so true about everything she said. At least in my case. They were going to disfellowship me for opening the back door because I let jehovahs spirit out. How wrong was that. Can you imagine my whole life flashing in front of my eyes, my family, everything I had ever worked so hard for all my life? Gone because they told me I didnt have faith, when the psychiatrist was well aware of what they might do and told me expressly not to let this happen as they had no right to take my son in the back room with out his parents there. Come on....they were yelling explicatives at me for my love of my son after they tell me that I made all this up. How could I make all this up...i didn't even no this shit happened to JWS. I was used to the six minute missionary position behind closed doors. I didn't even know that people gave oral sex to each other. I had never watched porn or been aware of what the world had to offer. How could I make anything up? The elders are not certified in child psychology, so who gave them the right to sit there in judgement on my son and I?
If there were any statements danni made that didn't seem to fit I would find this whole thing out in left field. Everything she said, down to the children running around and the time the meeting started rang true to me.
Why can't we all give her a hand and thank her for something she didn't have to do? It is not up to her to save us or the world, but she did the best she could.
There are so many others who are still there putting up with the abuse because they don't want to leave the only thing they ever knew, as they know how apostates are treated. Everyone who doesnt agree with the religion is a dog returning to their vomit in their eyes. We all know, we have watched this several times in our stint as witnesses.
These men thought they would come out on top and brush them off like they do everything else that doesn't fit their little box. They were wrong in this case. These two people proved stronger than they had hoped for.
Good luck to you all...Danni and Darryl, you are the best. Don't lose your job over this, they will be exposed for what they are in a given time.
Sincerely
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The meeting did not go well.
by Danni init would have taken more much more time to tell it all.
he told us the meeting would began as soon as the other brothers arrived.
danni: i will give you two.
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Danni and Darryl,
I want to applaude your efforts. You saw a problem and tried to tackle it. I know what you have been through behind those doors. The elders scream and yell, cuss and say things that are not right. Including Jehovahs spirit just flew out the door because I opened it when my 3yr old was sitting in a judicial committee because his aunt had sexually abused him. We as parents were not allowed back there and I expressly told the elders that my son was not to sit by her at all. They sat him right next to her. My son had gone to the drs and psychiatrist within three days of finding things out. The abuse took place, the elders were mad because we had taken my son to the drs, the state was now on top of the whole situation. In a court of law she was found guilty by admission. IN the hall she was still in good standing. Never disfellowshipped due to the fact no one had witnessed her doing this to my son.
Danni, I have been called by Kim at ap press news. She has dug into my sons files. I have talked to many wonderful fathers who are stepping down as elders due to the abuse they witnessed and they no longer want to see this happen.
You took charge of a situation. I see so many advantages to what you have done. You see, you let them all know that this kind of abuse is not going to be tolerated any more. You were invited to ask questions, and that is what you did.
The fact that they could not answer those questions was their fault!!! Not yours. I applaud you for your behavior as I can feel it was well intentioned and above board for you and your partner.
YOu had every right to be there. Just because we don't talk about what we do behind the scenes does not mean we arent doing anything, you are doing something in public and I commend you both whole heartedly.
Now for all you weirdos who have put danni down, get a life. She is a woman on a mission and nothing is going to stop her. Be a mom on a mission, nothing stopped me. I lost a marriage and my whole family by allowing this to go to court. Someone had to stand up for my son, no one else was going to. I had no one to go through this! But I will be damned if all your nasty comments would have stopped me in my tracks.
She might have prevented someone outside in the crowd from molesting their own child that night. You don't know how far her hand reaches. One more thing, I had a cop named stuart as a dear friend..he was willing to do the same thing for me danni did for all of us. This is not unusual.
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How important is it to love someone in your life?
by Mindchild inhow important is it to have someone special in your life?.
when i was a regular pioneer, i was constantly hearing that i should put off getting involved with any romantic relationships because i would want to spend all my time with my new love, and i would give up serving as a pioneer.. after i left the borgs cuckoos nest, i still had to put off getting romantically involved in long-term relationships because of wanting to be a full time college student.
later in life, i put off involvement again because of career options.
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Don't mean to get into things here but the WTBTS did say that further education was prohibited pre 75. They didn't encourage young people to stay in school as the end was coming in 75. Give me a break, they have said so many things and then retracted. If you were a good witness you would follow all the rules laid out before you. If you went to college you were looked down upon as a worldly person.
Thomas Poole, by the time I look through all the history mentioned in your post I would not even be interested at getting to know the person. Who friggin cares. I am so much different than my parents, I am so much differen than my family. I have made choices to bring my kids up against how my sister and brought her up. I am so glad as I have well balanced children. Oh yes, they have had their share of trouble as I have been there to pick up the pieces and pay the lawyer bills. They are now productive individuals in our community and even respected. Hence while my sisters elderettes have turned to drugs and fornication and there is no one to help them through all this. Now according to your statements, my sisters kids would have been better candidates for you. How flawed your thinking.
Mindchild:
One thing I have learned in this life, is the old saying, "Better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all." Yes, while that love is deep and hurts when circumstances don't allow you to be together, but the feeling it gives us is something that we will take for the rest of our lives. Knowing that just that one time we felt love and we were able to then learn what love was.
I don't believe you have to sleep around to learn what this is. When you are not looking it just hits you, sometimes you don't even understand what you are feeling. It is just there, then you begin to learn what love is and that maybe you never felt this burning desire and caring of another human being before that time. I don't think you get it with sexual partners. I feel it has to come long before you both decide to have sex.
At that point in your life you are willing to give up everything for that one special person because you can't live without him/her.
If you go looking for love, you will never find it. It will find you. If you turn someone away because they don't match up to what you envision yourself with, maybe you have given up on the one person that is able to make you happier than you have ever experienced.
When I fell in love it was with a man I abhorred. I didn't even think he was handsome. He had these droopy eyes, so dark and weird. I hated him. Wow, what happened after that was something I never expected, I fell in love with him. He new what I needed without me saying anything. He could read me like a book. I didn't know at the time he loved me. Not until the morning he came out and told me and asked me what I felt. I didn't know that what I was feeling was real love. Yes, I was a true blue witness in and out. How was I suppose to know love, it was something never experienced. Then it bit me in the ass.
Sorry if this is to long. Just so many feelings that you have all brought up.
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The Absolute "Climax" in My Life as ...
by Erich intoday i experienced the absolute "climax" in my life .
the first words he spoke to us, when we asked him about the state of health of my aunt, were: .
at this moment we were aware of the fact that my aunt always spoke the truth about this man; but she was unable to help herself.
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This is so sickening. I knew they were slim balls but didnt realize their slim had slimmed it's way under your aunts door. How very sad.
Report him. Don't stop to ask questions. Get this man away from these older folks. He needs to be in jail for what he has done to you and your family.
Take care and know God is on your side to expose this man.
cathy