They were edging towards a change when they allowed the option of blood fractions. Practically, this could be whole blood (i.e. all the fractions), but JWs can't see it. As one told me (about this change), 'The Bible hasn't changed, but Science has'... I don't understand that, but to be honest, I don't believe they knew what they were talking about either, which is the norm for the majority of JWs (they just seem to repeat any garbled 'excuse' for changes in doctrine). If whole blood is separated and then administered, a JW will see it as allowable blood fractions (even if it's all the fractions) and not whole blood. I mentioned on a (old) thread, that perhaps the WT will 'get around' the blood issue by allowing a transfusion of whole blood IF something is added (eg. saline) which JWs would easily accept as not being whole blood (as it has an addition)
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New light on blood?
by Mickey mouse inthis is prompted by barbara's new article at freeminds and a message someone sent to my youtube account a month ago.. there are rumours that there will be "new light" this year about blood transfusions.
if this happens, i for one will be speaking up and asking who is accountable for all the lives lost due to the wt's death dealing policy.
this is an opportunity for all those who still have some connections with jws to make people think..
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It was sad looking at all of my congregation members yesterday!
by RULES & REGULATIONS ini went to the meeting yesterday and found it to be a sad experience.
(i've been fading over the years and down to 2 meetings per month).
i looked around and found that there are no new members.just family members and friends.
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I always thought how dreary and depressing 'Kingdom' songs are compared to 'Christendom's' Hymns, which always seem to be sung with passion in Church. 'Kingdom' songs are by far inferior, but then isn't everything the WT produces..? LongHairedGirl - Yes - I think some JWs have tried to gain converts by offering practical assistance to the vulnerable...just another ploy.. none of what they do is 'spreading the Good News', it's just manipulation and salestalk (Theocratic Ministry School ?)
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You must not eat any "FAT"
by juci32 inif the witnesses follow the old law of "not eating blood" (even though the bible is pertaining to animal blood) then why do they not adhere to the command to avoid fat?
in leviticus 3:17 it states: 'this is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live: you must not eat any fat or any blood.'".
there is fat in almost every meat we eat.
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...a tad off-topic, but why don't JWs insist on Kosher/Halal meat, as it is more inline with WT doctrine here. I would also have thought it would be beneficial for the WT to insist on a gradual change toward vegitarianism, as it seems accepted that in the 'New Order' (wow, that expression ages me) we won't eat meat (as indeed we/animals didn't originally). This would reinforce in members that Armaggedon is close and faithful JWs are being prepared for a new lifestyle.
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Jevovah's Witnesses and mental health
by bubba flavel indoes anyone know if the society has specific policies on the handling of members with mental health problems?.
my grandfather, a brother in good standing since moses developed paranoid schizophrenia in his later years.
he got to the stage where he would knock people over in the street, place his hand on thier head and cast out evil spirits in the name of jehovah.. he was disfellowshiped and not long after he passed away.. this was related to me by a friend years later as i was unaware due to the shunning, i didn't even know he died.
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Thanks for post Shamus
My own personal observation is that amongst people I know/have known, long-term mental illness is FAR more common amongst JWs than non-JWs. I'd be interested to know if other posters have made similar observations.
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Tattoos/Piercings?
by Think About It ini feel like woody allen in the 1973 movie "the sleeper".
i leave in 1995, wake up 15 yrs later to see what has been going on in the jw religion and find out it is completely different from what i left.
i started a thread about beards, because i wanted to know how the modern day beard and goatee fad went over in the kh's.. now i'm curious about the tattoo, piercings and short or shaved hair look.
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You've made me think - when I was considering one, I recall asking an elder if it was alright to get one. His response was 'depending on what the tattoo would be'. So, if a (young) sister did get one in an intimate place....would the elders have to look and 'judge' if it is 'appropriate'?
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How many of you were baptised at a young age?
by lepermessiah inone thing this site has made me reflect on the baptism practice in jw land.. many of us were raised in the religion, thus you were given the pressure early on to shoot for baptism as a goal.. i remember feeling bad because i waited until the ripe old age of 14 to take the plunge.. looking back, i realize that when i was 14, i didnt even know what my favorite color was, let alone have enough knowledge to make a life altering decision.
yet, growing up in that climate, i would say anyone who waited past their early teens to get baptised was viewed with great suspicion and was likely to be viewed as "bad association".
kids who took the dip at 8-9 years of age were viewed as "wise beyond their years" and the like.. how old were some of you when you were baptised, and what are your feelings on the matter?.
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Just a thought....Maybe their interpretation of 'adult' is similar to their interpretation of 'generation'? lol
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How many of you were baptised at a young age?
by lepermessiah inone thing this site has made me reflect on the baptism practice in jw land.. many of us were raised in the religion, thus you were given the pressure early on to shoot for baptism as a goal.. i remember feeling bad because i waited until the ripe old age of 14 to take the plunge.. looking back, i realize that when i was 14, i didnt even know what my favorite color was, let alone have enough knowledge to make a life altering decision.
yet, growing up in that climate, i would say anyone who waited past their early teens to get baptised was viewed with great suspicion and was likely to be viewed as "bad association".
kids who took the dip at 8-9 years of age were viewed as "wise beyond their years" and the like.. how old were some of you when you were baptised, and what are your feelings on the matter?.
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15. The last of my peer group. My friend was 12. And I'll never forget Paul Gillies' ''spin'' on an 'interview' on TV - quote:- 'we only baptise as adults'.
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child molester reinstated
by EmptyInside ini'm rather sick inside right now.
i just found out the sicko that molested my friend, his daughters, grand-daughter, and others just got reinstated.
he's been disfellowshipped for awhile now.
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Useful list MadSweeney - looks as though UK may need updating/reporting...just three..? Seems low.
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A "Brother" wore a WT logo tie tack today
by JerkhovahsWitless inafter the meeting, a few people came up to show me some fake love like the wt lesson instructed (this is my 4th meeting in a row in over a year of not going, yuck!!).
i noticed one of them was wearing a tie tack of the watchtower logo.
its ok to idolize, by wearing, the corporate symbol of a worldwide multi-billion dollar company, but a cross is wrong?
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It's occured to me for a while now, that as the WT may need to get revenue from alternative sources, they may bring out a range of ''appropriate'' clothes (only available from the Org, of course) - which will be marketed as both 'modest' and as identifying JWs as 'separate' from World. And, Farkel, I'm sure they'll 'Bible-base' it, lol.
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Were You Afraid To Talk Out Loud For Fear The Demons Might Hear You?
by minimus ini know of many witnesses that were petrified that if they spoke about something out loud, the demons.
i swear jws think the demons.
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Not talking generally - but I was told not to pray out loud or Satan would hear, AND he can also lip-read, so extra caution needed to be taken when praying alone.