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  For those that read the bible, does the true message of scripture still come through in NWT?

  by NikL in

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  my active and in jw wife is up for reading bible together.

  thing is she wants to use nwt.. i have problems with that translation as you my imagine.. just wondering if you thought the true message of the bible will shine through the deliberate tampering of the nwt?.

  i know many people here don't like or want to read the bible and think it's rubbish anyway, so if that's you, you can save your comments :-).

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  carla

  Use any bible but the NWT, as a jw I think she is supposed to be alright with that and the fact that you are 'the man'.
  
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  Shunning

  by A Believer in

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  you guys do know that if you just leave and never go back you wont be disfellowshiped right?

  i know people who have done exactly this.

  you have to commit a sin and you or someone else has to tell a elder.

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  carla

  I suggest you read all the shunning stories here and elsewhere and how many families have been destroyed by this evil cult.

  You are not being told the truth by the jw's. Remember, you are not baptized yet therefore you are not worthy of the truth, no non-jw is worthy of the real truth if doesn't suit their agenda.
  

  Can you really believe that all these shunning stories from around the world are made up and lies by so called apostates?
  
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  GRACE? GRACE? What the F*** is GRACE? Jehovah's Witnesses have no idea!

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  i think all of us ex-j-dubs have had the --i'll call it a privilege--to exchange views with others who think differently than we do.

  we encounter "christians" from mainstream churches.our dialogue is sort of...like speaking to martians.sooner or later, an ex-dub smacks into a wall.

  that wall is a subject which is never spoken about or taught by the gb or watchtower with any candor.

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  carla

  Trying to talk to a jw about grace is like trying to talk to a Martian who absolutely cannot grasp the concept. It just circles around to 'undeserved kindness' and that's all they got, they just are not programmed to go beyond those words. Banged my head against that wall more times than I care to count, have since given up.

  What a shame, if they could grasp the concept perhaps their concept of God would change too?
  
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  Williams sister got engaged to some guy from Reddit

  by wozza in

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  so is he a witness or if not what are gb going to do about it since she identifies with the watchtower society?.

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  carla

  My whole point is that just because the org or current jw's say someone isn't 'really' a jw, the public at large does not see it that way. If I go every week to one particular church but refuse to identify myself as xyz most people will still see me as an xyz adherent and my actions may very well bring 'reproach' upon xyz church simply by my associating with it. Some forget the the rest of the world does not know how the jw's decide who is a member or who isn't. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck it probably is a duck even if it hasn't been for swim yet.

  The jw's want their cake and eat it too when deciding who are members, commit a crime? then you were never a 'real' jw, have lots of money but go around half dressed or use phallic symbols in public well, wink, wink ok you can claim to be one, are you an unbaptized minor child who needs blood? you are not a member but hey, we can use your death for the cover a magazine! win, win! (or nowadays maybe in a cartoon or video)
  

  The gb could very well come out against the William sisters (include Prince at the time) or at the very least come down on their behavior and make no mistake of just who they are talking about like they do on a weekly basis when 'marking' or trying to embarrass a lowly rank & file member of the cong who eats, breathes and dies for the org.
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  Williams sister got engaged to some guy from Reddit

  by wozza in

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  2. friends

  so is he a witness or if not what are gb going to do about it since she identifies with the watchtower society?.

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  carla

  It doesn't really matter if they were baptized or not, to the rest of the world if you go to meetings, claim you are one, talk about thanking jah, etc.... You ARE a jw.

  For those that claim she isn't a jw because she was never baptized then why are children who are not baptized considered jw's when in need of blood? the parents claim 'we' are jw's blah, blah, blah. Using the logic of not being baptized then the kids are technically not jw's and should be given blood as a matter of course with no discussion about it.

  What does confuse the general public about jw's is their holier than thou attitudes, dress, no holidays and then see celebrities like Prince and the William sisters and the obvious hypocrisies. Most non jw's assume it is because they donate money to the 'church' to get away with their lifestyle.

  Don't shoot the messenger, just telling you how conversations have gone with me & non jw's in the past.
  
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  Aid to Bible Understanding - can you help summarise any useful sections?

  by Fernando in

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  randall watters presents the fascinating backstory of the "aid book", and the brouhaha surrounding it, in this article:.

  "the watchtower bible and tract society: the critical years 1975-1997".

  so far it seems the project to research and write the "aid to bible understanding" revealed serious doctrinal and institutional flaws that the gb wanted to preserve nonetheless.. it seems what ray franz and his team were learning, and were largely blocked from presenting:.

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  carla

  I no longer recall the page number in the Aid book but look up their definition of 'lie'. I don't think they changed their policy on that one and still utilize 'theocratic warfare' or whatever they call it. Basically the rest of us are not entitled to the truth if it doesn't suit their needs.
  
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  Old article worth a read

  by carla in

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  2. beliefs

  here is a link to an older article about jw's & mind control.

  it appears to be from the time period when jw's were about 5 million and still had that extra meeting during the week.

  i have no idea about the website in general, only found the article doing some research.

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  carla

  I agree with you dropoff about the looks of the site, as I said I had not looked at the content of the site, the article just came up when googling. The article itself is good though and not mystical etc..... mostly how the gb controls the r & f and does not encourage independent thinking and so on.
  
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  Old article worth a read

  by carla in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here is a link to an older article about jw's & mind control.

  it appears to be from the time period when jw's were about 5 million and still had that extra meeting during the week.

  i have no idea about the website in general, only found the article doing some research.

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  carla

  Oh, thanks! like I said I have not looked at the rest of the website just that article.
  
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  Old article worth a read

  by carla in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here is a link to an older article about jw's & mind control.

  it appears to be from the time period when jw's were about 5 million and still had that extra meeting during the week.

  i have no idea about the website in general, only found the article doing some research.

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  carla

  ah phooey too bad the link will not work, never mind.
  
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  Old article worth a read

  by carla in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here is a link to an older article about jw's & mind control.

  it appears to be from the time period when jw's were about 5 million and still had that extra meeting during the week.

  i have no idea about the website in general, only found the article doing some research.

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  carla

  Here is a link to an older article about jw's & mind control. It appears to be from the time period when jw's were about 5 million and still had that extra meeting during the week. I have no idea about the website in general, only found the article doing some research. I think it is a great article especially for non jw's to understand the milieu of the cult, would be good for a jw to read but we all know that would never happen.
  

  edit- can't get link to work, just googled jehovah witnesses and mind control
  

  An example from the article, ....."In Witnessworld, there can be no grey area to allow for any form of evolution. In general, if the Society agrees with a scientist and needs support for an argument, s/he is "a noted scientist"; "an expert", but those who present disagreeable views of the world (as seen through Watchtower spectacles) will be labelled "God-dishonouring scientists promoting human concepts" or "worldly scientists", even if they are the most devout Christians. Philosophy or university (with the epithets "worldly") and anything which leads to "independent thinking", are also disapproved."