long time, no post.
:) i was just curious when the memorial was this year?
is it at the end of march, at full moon, right?
Re Will You Attend The Memorial?
Isn't going to the memorial simply a matter of following Jesus' direction to "keep doing this in remembrance of me"?
The extreme alternative, as may be seen from merely reading some topic titles, is that depicted in John Milton's 'Paradise Lost', when "Satan" languishing in his kingdom of 'hell", declaims "Better to reign in Hell than to serve in Heaven".
how can those doing the monitoring not be affected by what they read here?.
how can anyone not be affected by the paedophilia scandal, the un scandal, the 1975 debacle?.
how do they find someone to read here and still stay a jw?.
Supposing The WT DOES Monitor This Site..
(Thinks to self) "I hope not, because they will see my postings and then I'll be busted back to the East Finchley Boy Scouts"
"The dirty rotten swines! To Eccles "what was that question again my good man?"
If you are following 'To Monitor or Not to Monitor', listen in again next Frightday to a further exciting installment entitled "Bloodknock Posts Again!
how and when did the wtbs determined they were the faithful discreet slave?
Have You Ever Asked An Elder "How and when did the WTBS determined they were the faithful discreet slave?" No, because I believe they never did make such a determination but if you are prepared to disarm the question by rephrasing it , I'll think about it.
i am extremely skeptical about this, yet people on this forum seem to talk about it as though it were a fact.
so has anyone got any actual concrete proof?
here are the reasons why i don't think they do:.
Question "Has Anyone Got any Proof That The Society Monitors Apostate Web Sites?"
In case they might miss something, do you mean?
I do know radio astronomers have been monitoring the Universe for signs of intelligent life with no success so far. Might we draw an inference from this?
i thought of a question i'd like to ask my sister-in-law (who's a fanatical dub).
i'd like to say to her: "...if it could be proven to you beyond any doubt that this was not the "one true religion", would you still go to the kingdom hall?...
i figure it's a catch-22 that really ought to make them stop and think.
Well how would they? Had you ever thought of asking one?
Go on, that little old lady with a limp and a smile, the old fella with a walking stick, the young mother with baby in the pram,stroller, babby buggy, the distinguished looking gentleman of serious mein with greying hair (probably a rookie), the teenager who looks as if he couldn't put two words together, get out that question, dust it off and give it a go! They are not going to read postings on this forum, give them a chance.
In fact, somebody pointed out that forum posters are like poets,who generally don't read but write ( poetry.)
Did you not know that? Well, I'll let you in on another little secret, Gadflies don't read either, no they do not, What do they do then?
A persistent irritating critic; a nuisance.
One that acts as a provocative stimulus; a goad.
Yep, that's them, so don't even think of asking a Gadfly, they are so officiously going about their business driving animals mad they do not have time to engage in the frivolity of reading the critics ('crickets' is what Gadflies call THEM) But do you know that these plaguey congregatingcritters sometimes condescend to POST on forums. Well, one of them does, but
one does not make a plague does it? Its all very well to ramble on like this - all these questions - How Would A Witness Answer ? Why not ask one?
i thought of a question i'd like to ask my sister-in-law (who's a fanatical dub).
i'd like to say to her: "...if it could be proven to you beyond any doubt that this was not the "one true religion", would you still go to the kingdom hall?...
i figure it's a catch-22 that really ought to make them stop and think.
"The Gnat", alas, has found that his life span was not two days as he thought but is actually one week. So the good/bad news that he/she/it will be around longer than expected.
this (from memory) from a T.V. show This may be of help to some reading these pages. Have taken this on board myself If I can do it, so can you!
Anger means you are holding fear, hurt or disappointment. Have to ask self ?what part did I have in it? A failure to take responsibility means we are choosing to stay angry, hurt or disappointed. And then we attack. Coming to the party means we are ready to move on but perhaps someone has moved on and we take it as rejection and we attack again . But we do have options. Be realistic, do we want to and do we have the same goals as the old friend? If it is ?no? stop attacking and work on our own goals and be civil. Make the other person feel better round us. That is being adult. If its ?yes? we should seek help from professionals to pick up our life, not in comparison with our ex friend/s but to have a personal feeling of success and be a pleasant and helpful person to be around.
NOTE circumstances, standoffs and personal attacks either through a group or through individuals.
This advice was given because so many find it impossible to move on and set own goals
Tendency is to envy others with more ability and attack them rather than doing what we personally do well.
happy postings!
i was reading the 1975 thread, and considered posting on it, but since i wasn't born until the carter administration, i don't think i really can comment on it.
i can sympathize, however.. you see, i was raised in the truth.
rarely missed a meeting.
"Wondering if it was the truth" Well kids are entitled to choose. As adults we are compelled to. But it's not good to subscribe to the mythology of 'missed opportunities'
We may dress up our declarations of 'freedom', stand up in the forum and others may declaim "a God's voice, not a man's" Such displays of independence and self congratulation don't last for long. Herod (Acts 12) tried this and was immediately eaten up with worms. Not the best option. . It's hard for us to be truthful about ourselves, but it is possible and isn't it less painful to be worm free?
there was never an announcement made.
i wrote them a letter not a da letter, but essentially i told them that me and my family simply wanted to "cease to be involved with the faith" at the time on their web site it said that you would not be shunned if you simply ceased to be involved with the faith.
i also said if they made an announcement that i would sue them for slander.
after over 300 postings and threatening to sue for slander, writing a disassociation letter which 'wasn't a disassociation letter' and 'wondering what I am.' The enormity of those people refusing to 'be nice' when having a gun brandished in their face! At least on this forum one has the company of other pistol packing mommas and poppas. 346 postings was it? Some six-gun!
"he is an indecisive (two souled) man, unsteady in all his ways? James 1:8
as jw's we are asked to be "loyal" to the organization.
all this means is, say "yes" to everything they ask, and believe everything they teach without questioning.. how about the jw organization, are they loyal to their members?
if a brother of sister falls sick, loses a job, becomes invalid, will the jw organization show loyalty to that person and help out?
loyalty must surely be a quality of both heart and mind. Jehovah knows us intimately in both respects
do you believe that? Even if you believe nothing else?
As Jeremiah pointed out, the heart is desperate and treacherous - who can know it?
And Pascal reminded us that "'the heart has it's reasons - we see it in a thousand ways"
all of this demonstrated in the thousands of postings on this forum
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my parents go to a catholic church, and they say that the average age is in the 60's.. at the kh, the average age is about 30, if you calculate the age of the children too.. theoretically, the average age of witnesses should go up with time .
if less and less people become witnesses, the average age should go up, just like traditional religions....no?.
Thanks for posting an honest and straightforward question. Its non-combativeness makes one grateful for small mercies.
There is , at least, a 'greying' of congregations in some towns, cities and countries which is in line with local demographics. David 2002 has provided an informative, straight and kindly (which seems to be his style) answer. Others have packed up their troubles in their old kit bags and appended them to this topic. One expects them to do this, what would a forum do without them? Pardon the brashness of a very new newbie! However their (could one call it 'collective'?) memory appears to have drifted irrto a digressive inventiveness. But one allows for this.
Peevish prognostications again have found their way into print. Such 'prophecies are to be avoided as they present a long history of failure. Early in the piece,Balaam found this out, to his cost.
Well, that's MY kit bag and it contains no 'nasties'.
