Posts by B4Right

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Everybody loves Raymond

by Saintbertholdt in

a while ago the user vinman started a forum thread called: "ray franz was an idiot".

the reaction to it was quite negative but i have to admit that the title of that thread was intriguing to me.

by nature i am an iconoclast.

In a business that is based on communication and the exchange of information authored by people in responsibility, all it takes is one mistake and then you have the finger pointing, the "hey I never said that", "I never gave made that statement" or something to that nature. You then decide to "CYA" cover your ass with ANY decisions being made, any directions given. Since Ray did not write down EVERY conversation and interaction we never know what lead him to "take good notes" from a point forward. Did he have interior motives? maybe - maybe not but where you could make global analysis of what he wrote, the important thing is that we all got a chance to see / peer into the GB world that is hidden and forever would be hidden from the eyes and ears of those outside the WT fortress command center, a world we would never had known or had a 1 and a million chance to ever know if it had not been for Raymond Franz.

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Are you "trained" to be loyal?

by DATA-DOG in

i went for the kh today for personal reasons.

it was pretty dumb, but not horrible.

anyway the speaker used a terrible, but accurate illustration in his gb approved outline.

B4Right

At my meeting the speakers talk was about Jehovah being our stronghold. His illustration was about a storm shelter.

Jehovahs Organization is like that storm shelter in that the kingdom hall is our protection from the world, the ministry, studying, meeting attendance and meditating is what will help us keep Jehovah as our stronghold.

if you were in the storm shelter and you realize that it was time for you to go to work- you would not go because of the storm. The kingdom hall is like our storm shelter, you would not miss the meetings because of work, missing meetings is no way to show Jehovah that he is your stronghold.

The WT study brought the "Obey even if it doesn't make sense" GB command. WT conductor said that if we are given instructions that doesnt make sense, all we need to know is that it came from the faithful slave and we just do it.

regarding the WT- how do you separate being loyal to Jehovah AND his kingdom? Where is that in the bible?

Just more interesting comments to make us faders throw up in our mouths!

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Need advice: Intimacy with my wife almost non existint because she considers me an apostate

by goingthruthemotions in

just on of the perks of being an apostate who is married to a branwashed, blinded jw woman.

you know, we have been married for ~27 years....most of which we had nothing to do with the piece of shite cult.

up till the begining of 2014 was when i woke up.

B4Right

I am in the same boat. I love my wife very much, but she has not learned to separate US from the Governing Body.

As crazy as it may sound - I still go to the meetings because I love her and I think its the closest to what a christian should be doing.

For years I do my part by being kind and affectionate as much as I can so she can at least "feel" I love her. I try very hard not to make a comment nor a facial reaction to anything that sounds dumb or stupid.She knows my hatred for the GB.

From time to time she ask me my opinion and I try to be as "professional" as I can.

last week in listening to the August JW broadcast something that was said on there made me burst out with "come-on-man"!! and she said "what"? I explained what was wrong with some statements and she got upset and stormed out. I went after her and she said leave me alone just "leave me alone".

two days went by without a word from her- so I text her and told her in so many words- how in the world can you get mad at me and treat our relationship this way based on some men we dont know and will never meet. I married you for YOU and not because of the kingdom hall but because she was a spiritual person.

That seem to calm her down and slowly we got back to normal. SO if you love her do your part to make her feel that despite being an apostate your love is not based on the organization but her. That may help a little.

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What Qualifications does Geoffrey Jackson have as a Translator of the Bible ? In any Capacity ?

by smiddy in

geoffrey jackson left school at the age of 15 and began pioneering , he never attended a university ,never studied ancient greek ,hebrew or aramaic at any recognized teaching academy , he has no certificates or credentials / qualifications from any place of learning that is approved by a competent body of religious instruction .. and by his own words at the australian royal commission , under oath he stated that was his primary role as a translator of scripture into other languages .. a 15 year old drop out from school in australia is the chief/ prime translator of the bible for jehovah`s witnesses world wide in their many languages that they preach in .. it would be very interesting to see his report cards for those few years he did attend school .. is it just me , or does anybody else see that his qualifications don`t come up to scratch to be a translator of the old testament or the new testament scriptures , and be taken seriously as a translator of either , into any language.. if i am wrong anywhere in this post feel free to correct me .. smiddy.

B4Right

In JW land (especially if you have no certified training) all it takes is for you to volunteer a few times and speak like you know something and next thing you know you are the "go- to" guy!

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What woke you up?

by Israel Ricky Gonzales in

in march of 2014, i was a very active jw, a ministerial servant, gave a public talk, was an attendant for the memorial, and one of 4 cleaning captains for an international convention of 40,000+ attendees.

so what woke me up?

an innocent comment from a co-worker about the candice conti court case rang a bell that could not be unrung.

B4Right

I was separated from my wife, dis-associated and moving out. Because of what my wife and I was going thru at the time--I called a fellow elder to keep an eye on my sons and at least please say hello to them when he see them at the meeting--he was VERY mean and rude, told me that it's not his job to look after my kids and that I should have thought of this ahead of disassociating myself. I said all I ask is that you say hello to them for encouragement- he hung up on me!

what love- my fellow elder who I served with for 9 years! This action caused me to stay away for a few years in mental pain- how could this be Gods organization what happen to the things we learned in elders school!!!

i somehow discovered this website and it has helped me get over my anguish and give me the slap in the mental face to WAKE-UP!!!

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Jehovah's witnesses owe much to the catolic church

by TheWonderofYou in

jehovahs witness owe the bible to the catolic church,the church was the authority that put the bible together, and jehovahs witnesses owe the name jehovah a catolic monk.

jehovash witnesses owe the catolic church the sowing of the field where they are now preaching.. otherwise after leaving the jw i got a much better understanding of christianity and the cc..

B4Right

The Governing Body will never admit this outright.

with one of the JW Broadcast that there was not a 1900 year old FDS they were speaking that there were believers not totally understanding the bible. I'm sure somewhere down the line they will try to " fake- in" something that will not give credit to Constantine nor the church.

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The Governing Body was Appointed in 1971, NOT 1919

by FusionTheism in

statements from the watchtower publications show that the scriptural governing body did not exist until 1971!.

watchtower, 01/15/01, pages 28-31:.

these questions were answered at the annual meeting held on october 1, 1971. on that occasion, one of the speakers pointed out that the governing body of the faithful and discreet slave preceded the watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania by hundreds of years.

B4Right

Amazing how they at Bethel feels that any utterances any decisions any ideas that come from any of the GB -- in turns comes from GOD himself---especially when they can find a "scripture sentence" to back it up.

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David Splane: The Catholic Church brought the Gospel into China!

by FusionTheism in

quotes from the new david splane "1900 years" video:.

"the catholic church took the preaching work more seriously than the reformers... who brought the gospel into china?

... it was the catholic church.".

B4Right

I wonder is the GB trying to find away to explain how "Jehovah used the Catholic Church thru Constantine to put the holy writings together to form the bible!

in mostly all of WT publications I do not think they ever add that to how the bible came together.

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The WTBTS "almost" admits the truth.....

by DATA-DOG in

during the wt session, the org admits that the actions of eldubs can cause an eventual shortage of "qualified " brothers, and it has.

they speak of a lack of teaching as the cause.

in reality, it's the legalism and control issues within the org itself that have caused a shortage of men who are willing to reach out.

B4Right

I have found in my 30 years that each congregation is different when it comes to the rules of who qualify.

in three different congregations - field service --one said national avg, one said 10, one said min. 8. Now included as a qualification is regular family worship. meeting attendance- two said regular with reason, one said no missing a meeting unless you are sick.

If WTBS wants more men they need to spell out in print exactly what a man has to do locally.

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Last sunday study article: you are saved by helping Christ's anointed brothers

by paradisebeauty in

in the last article of march watchtower - study edition they make some affirmations that are totally in contradiction with what the gospel says:.

paragraph 7: .

and what of the reason why people will be judged as either sheep or goats?

B4Right

That is odd isn't it!

What level of help will JESUS judge people of how they help the anointed?

now to be saved you HAVE to be a JW - how else will one know to help Christ brothers- there is no way JW is going to be knocking on doors with the message" if you don't assist Christ brothers you are not worthy to be a sheep and be saved"!