Way to go chick, your one heck of a woman and person to stand up to their crap eating lies. You are my inspiration and my sunshine. Thank you for that !
Your friend,
Oldflame (Merrill)
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THE ELDERS JUST KNOCKED ON MY DOOR
by Mary ini was asked what i thought when i saw all the bad things going on in the world and about how close we are to the end.
i replied "jeff, i simply do not believe that it's going to happen in my life time.
" he was momentarily stunned and said "well, when have things ever been this bad before?
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OK, Where's Gumby?
by unclebruce inok, what have you sick bastards done with me ol' mate gumby?
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and don't give me any of that abducted by space aliens crap!
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Some of you know that Gumby and I are very good and close friends. He is doing fine I see him every couple of days. Yes he did reinstate but his heart is not in it and has become very difficult for him to follow the crap of the watchtower. I know he misses most of you and I will tell him that you are looking for him. I doubt very much that he will be posting here anymore.
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Thought y'all might enjoy this one...
by under_believer inhey all, just got this email from one of the jw mailing lists i still seem to be subscribed to.... .
> these are pictures that have just been painted on the various walls of.
> our lovely assembly hall in plant city , florida .
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Okay this one got me, the picture with the little girl with her two front teeth missing. Well if we are going to live in a paradise world in perfection would a child have to loose their teeth ? I hardly doubt it.
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First "Big Meeting" for our hall was tonight
by Iwonder17 inso we hadour first big meeting tonigh ( bookstudy, ministry school and service meeting ) here are my observations:.
1) even though it is the same amount of time, it seemed verrrrry long.
2) it seemed like a circus.....too many parts that did not relate to the others....seemed like a crossword puzzel with 6 different languages.
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Truthfully,
I really don't think they want comments.
When I first went to meetings, comments were from peoples own words, with some that did research and they were interesting.
By the time I left they were sentences read from the paragraphs, very boring.
If someone gave a researched or heartfelt comment, you could feel the tension in the room, Like they didn't know the "rules"
purps
Yeah I remember one time when I answered a question from the watchtower study from my own words rather than answer from the article and man was I looked at with strange eyes. I did this on purpose to see what kind of response I would get, well I got what I was looking for. The elder that was studing with me afterwards came up to me and asked why I did not answer from the watchtower rag and I said well why does our answer have to come from the Lit. why can't they come from the heart ?
His answer ? we cannot trust our own hearts but only Jehovahs spirit. Funny thing was that while I was in this religion I never felt Gods spirit, never not even once.
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*** Christmas Party thread...Everyone's Invited ***
by FlyingHighNow inlet's party!
it's time to forget our troubles and enjoy the holiday season.
stop in.
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Okay Ladies tell the truth, you all want to post pictures of yourselves in your Christmas Lingerie. It's OK I will be waiting ! LOL
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They are poisoning our children and they don't care !
by oldflame infda finds traces of melamine in us infant formula.
reuters a child suffering from kidney stones receives medical treatment at a hospital in hefei, anhui province traces of the industrial chemical melamine have been detected in samples of top-selling u.s. infant formula, but federal regulators insist the products are safe.
the food and drug administration said last month it was unable to identify any melamine exposure level as safe for infants, but a top official said it would be a "dangerous overreaction" for parents to stop feeding infant formula to babies who depend on it.. "the levels that we are detecting are extremely low," said dr. stephen sundlof, director of the fda's center for food safety and applied nutrition.
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FDA finds traces of melamine in US infant formula
Reuters – A child suffering from kidney stones receives medical treatment at a hospital in Hefei, Anhui province … Traces of the industrial chemical melamine have been detected in samples of top-selling U.S. infant formula, but federal regulators insist the products are safe. The Food and Drug Administration said last month it was unable to identify any melamine exposure level as safe for infants, but a top official said it would be a "dangerous overreaction" for parents to stop feeding infant formula to babies who depend on it.
"The levels that we are detecting are extremely low," said Dr. Stephen Sundlof, director of the FDA's Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition. "They should not be changing the diet. If they've been feeding a particular product, they should continue to feed that product. That's in the best interest of the baby."
Melamine is the chemical found in Chinese infant formula — in far larger concentrations — that has been blamed for killing at least three babies and making at least 50,000 others ill.
Previously undisclosed tests, obtained by The Associated Press under the Freedom of Information Act, show that the FDA has detected melamine in a sample of one popular formula and the presence of cyanuric acid, a chemical relative of melamine, in the formula of a second manufacturer.
Separately, a third major formula maker told AP that in-house tests had detected trace levels of melamine in its infant formula.
The three firms — Abbott Laboratories, Nestle and Mead Johnson — manufacture more than 90 percent of all infant formula produced in the United States.
The FDA and other experts said the melamine contamination in U.S.-made formula had occurred during the manufacturing process, rather than intentionally.
The U.S. government quietly began testing domestically produced infant formula in September, soon after problems with melamine-spiked formula surfaced in China.
Sundlof said there have been no reports of human illness in the United States from melamine, which can bind with other chemicals in urine, potentially causing damaging stones in the kidney or bladder and, in extreme cases, kidney failure.
Melamine is used in some U.S. plastic food packaging and can rub off onto what we eat; it's also contained in a cleaning solution used on some food processing equipment and can leach into the products being prepared.
Sundlof told the AP the positive test results "so far are in the trace range, and from a public health or infant health perspective, we consider those to be perfectly fine."
That's different from the impression of zero tolerance the agency left on Oct. 3, when it stated: "FDA is currently unable to establish any level of melamine and melamine-related compounds in infant formula that does not raise public health concerns."
FDA scientists said then that they couldn't set an acceptable level of melamine exposure in infant formula because science hadn't had enough time to understand the chemical's effects on infants' underdeveloped kidneys. Plus, there is the complicating factor that infant formula often constitutes a newborns entire diet.
The agency added, however, that its position did not mean that any exposure to a detectable level of melamine and melamine-related compounds in infant formula would result in harm to infants.
Still, the announcement was widely interpreted by manufacturers, the news media and Congress to mean that infant formula that tested positive at any level could not be sold in the United States.
The Grocery Manufacturers Association, for example, told its members: "FDA could not identify a safe level for melamine and related compounds in infant formula; thus it can be concluded they will not accept any detectable melamine in infant formula."
It was not until the AP inquired about tests on domestic formula that the FDA articulated that while it couldn't set a safe exposure for infants, it would accept some melamine in formula — raising the question of whether the decision to accept very low concentrations was made only after traces were detected.
On Sunday, Sundlof said the agency had never said, nor implied, that domestic infant formula was going to be entirely free of melamine. He said he didn't know if the agency's statements on infant formula had been misinterpreted.
In China, melamine was intentionally dumped into watered-down milk to trick food quality tests into showing higher protein levels than actually existed. Byproducts of the milk ended up in infant formula, coffee creamers, even biscuits.
The concentrations of melamine there were extraordinarily high, as much as 2,500 parts per million. The concentrations detected in the FDA samples were 10,000 times smaller — the equivalent of a drop in a 64-gallon trash bin.
There would be no economic advantage to spiking U.S.-made formula at the extremely low levels found in the FDA testing. It neither raises the protein count nor saves valuable protein, said University of California, Davis chemist Michael Filigenzi, a melamine detection expert.
According to FDA data for tests of 77 infant formula samples, a trace concentration of melamine was detected in one product — Mead Johnson's Infant Formula Powder, Enfamil LIPIL with Iron. An FDA spreadsheet shows two tests were conducted on the Enfamil, with readings of 0.137 and 0.14 parts per million.
Three tests of Nestle's Good Start Supreme Infant Formula with Iron detected an average of 0.247 parts per million of cyanuric acid, a melamine byproduct.
The FDA said last month that the toxicity of cyanuric acid is under study, but that meanwhile it is "prudent" to assume that its potency is equal to that of melamine.
And while the FDA said tests of 18 samples of formula made by Abbott Laboratories, including its Similac brand, did not detect melamine, spokesman Colin McBean said some company tests did find the chemical. He did not identify the specific product or the number of positive tests.
McBean did say the detections were at levels far below the health limits set by all countries in the world, including Taiwan, where the limit is 0.05 parts per million.
"We're talking about trace amounts right here, and you know there's a lot of scientific bodies out there that say low levels of melamine are always present in certain types of foods," said McBean.
Mead Johnson spokeswoman Gail Wood said her company's in-house tests had not detected any melamine, and that the company had not been informed of the FDA test results, even during a confidential agency conference call Monday with infant formula makers about melamine contamination.
The FDA tests also detected melamine in two samples of nutritional supplements for very sick children who have trouble digesting regular food. Nestle's Peptamen Junior medical food showed 0.201 and 0.206 parts per million of melamine while Nestle's Nutren Junior-Fiber showed 0.16 and 0.184 parts per million.
The agency said that while there are no established exposure levels for infant formula, pediatric medical food — often used in feeding tubes for very sick, young children — can have 2.5 parts per million of melamine, just like food products other than infant formula.
The head of manufacturing for Nestle Nutrition in North America, Walter Huber, said in an interview that the company took samples alongside FDA officials who visited a manufacturing plant, and that those samples showed similar results to what FDA found for the two pediatric medical foods. Huber added that Nestle didn't fund cyanuric acid in any of the samples.
The FDA shared its results with Nestle a few weeks ago, Huber said. He said he wasn't sure whether Nestle had tested other of its products beyond what it did related to the FDA.
Rep. Rosa DeLauro, D-Conn., who heads a panel that oversees the FDA budget, said the agency was taking a "marketplace first, science last" approach.
"The FDA should be insisting on a zero-tolerance policy for melamine in domestic infant formula until it is able to determine conclusively based on sound independent science that the trace levels would not pose a health risk to infants," DeLauro said.
Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., a frequent critic of the FDA, said: "If no safe level of melamine has been established for consumption by children, then the FDA should immediately recall any formula that has tested positive for even trace amounts of the contaminant."
Several medical experts said trace concentrations would be diluted even in an infant, and are highly unlikely to be harmful.
"It's just a tiny amount, it's very unlikely to cause stones," said Stanford University Medical School pediatrics professor Dr. Paul Grimm.
Dr. Jerome Paulson, an associate professor of pediatrics at Children's National Medical Center in Washington, D.C., said he didn't think the FDA's decision was unreasonable. He added, however, that the agency should research the impacts of long-term, low-dose exposure, "and not just assume it's safe, and then 15 years from now find out that it's not."
On the Net:
The FDA's melamine guidance: http://www.fda.gov/oc/opacom/hottopics/melamine.html
This is absolutely unacceptable ! Here in the good "ol US of A we think we are safe from being bad foods or products but we are just as bad as China ? Unbelievable and unacceptable ! It's time to boycott these companies who do this !
How is everyone ? I don't shine around too much lately kind a weening myself from JWD as it is sadly leaving us. God Bless you Simon & Ag. God bless us all & Have a great and Merry Christmas & And a blessed New Year.
I don't know if I will be back here before it quits so I will thank you to all the beautiful people I have met here, really some very intelligent people here at JWD and some very dear hearted people. It has been a wonderful trip with all of you, I hope that someday we meet , if I don't meet you here on earth then I will see you on the flip side. God Bless, Merrill
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OMG! a horrible lie in the July WT with a jesus pic....
by oompa inbad day today...how the hey did everyone miss this??
?....or did i miss a post about it?.....i am not supposed to talk about anything jw with my hardcore jw wife...but while on the toilet takin care of biz..i was reading the lit she leaves in a basket...it was a wt..july 08, but dont know which one....once i showed it to her it disappeared...but damm the last page i think... it had a drawing of jesus and the text under it said this "jesus used the name jehovah in his prayers"....or close....and that is a fluckkin lie!...zero support for it!...so i said just freakin show me where he did...i think my pants were still down...i had already come to terms with the fact that jesus never once uttered the name jehovah ever...because what kid...esp in a serious discussion with his dad (like prayer) would ever call him by his first name???
?...she disagreed...how i dont know...but where is the evidence that jesus ever said the divine name in a prayer?!?!!??
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I got a new invention watchtower toilet paper ! LOL
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Should Prostitution Be Legalized???
by minimus inrecently, in the news were reports of 90 plus year old men being arrested for soliciting prostitutes.
i believe the charges were dropped.
and the vast majority of people polled thought that police should worry less about prostitutes and johns and more about city government waste.. your thoughts?.
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Who would want sloppy seconds anyways ? I wouldn't.
But then to each his own I guess and the government should worry about other crimes rather than trying to take away the right to decide for ourselves what is right or wrong. The consequences are our own too, so we should be able to decide for our selves which is God Given !
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I'm back and I got a ?
by oldflame ingumby and i were talking today and we discussed why the scriptures would say that people are held higher than the animals but if this is the case then why does god allow animals to attack humans ?
any answers on this one ?.
on another note i really do not want to see jwd go away, i would be more than willing to be a paying member to keep the lurkers out and those who threaten others from this site.
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Gumby and I were talking today and we discussed why the scriptures would say that people are held higher than the animals but if this is the case then why does God allow animals to attack humans ? Any answers on this one ?
On another note I really do not want to see JWD go away, I would be more than willing to be a paying member to keep the lurkers out and those who threaten others from this site. What do you all think about that ?
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It's time for me to say Goodbye
by oldflame ini have been on this board for 7 or 8 years, i have learned a great deal from all of you, but it is time for me to move on and put my life in a different direction.
so i say so long, who knows maybe sometime in the future i will pop in and say hi.
thanks to all of you who have done a great deal for me, i have learned a lot about cult religions and a lot about myself.
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I have been on this board for 7 or 8 years, I have learned a great deal from all of you, but it is time for me to move on and put my life in a different direction. So I say so long, who knows maybe sometime in the future I will pop in and say Hi. Thanks to all of you who have done a great deal for me, I have learned a lot about cult religions and a lot about myself. May God be with all of you and may your future be bright.
Oldflame (Merrill)