Yes, a great book by a humble man. When a friend suggested that we read it, well...I shied away from his suggestion, I mean, I had heard about this guy in the 80's and it was not complimentary. The I got a copy from commentary press. WOW.... the GB is just a mothers club, with as much HS as anyone else.
We constantly thank Ray Franz for his courage.
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Raymond Franz
by KW13 inraymond franz was a member of the governing body and was a jw for many years till he left.. he wrote a book which provides a great insight into jw's but what is really good about it is he isn't bitter when he comes across and so far i am really enjoying the read.. also in there are copies of letters sent from him to the society or the other way around and i recommend anyone who can find it should read it!.
http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/cocbr.htm.
i am only just into it and i am hooked.
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Whose been ripped off financially by his JW brother?
by Spectrum ini posted this in another thread but it is more relevant here.
i worked for jw doing back breaking work for a while only to be told by another jw that he was ripping me of - he was paying me half the going rate.
i was only 17 and naive didn't know anything about the world of work.
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Didnt get ripped personally, but we had one smooth operator, who sold aluminium siding. He took the customers money and ran. He was a study fast tracked for greatness. He left town, popped up somewhere else and started his study again.
Next thing he is in some photos in an Awake! magazine.
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Has anyone communicated with the dead, and who do you think it was?
by jwfacts inhas anyone communicated with the dead, and who do you think it was?
what was your experience?.
do you believe it to be the spirit of a person, or a demon, or some other explaination such as a hoax?.
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So jwfacts, you had any yourself?
I know a couple of women who see these kinds of spirits, and one actually does the "crossing over" stuff. Does she have some amazing stories. Never really experienced it myself. Read a couple of books by a spiritual healer called Betty Shine.....Interesting. If the WTS is not dictating your beliefs, any thing is possible. -
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What's Ozzie been drinking?
by ozziepost inpeople have been wondering what mrs ozzie and i have been drinking whilst away, so in answer to the question, "what's ozzie been drinking?
ok, you wine lovers.
have a guess, what is it?.
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KH memorial wine missing from Bethel KH in Denham Crt????
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Ozzie Ozzie Ozzie............good to see you back. Sounds like a refreshing break. Question was "J" on the first or second of the sunday programs? It is hard to understand how it could be denied that the WTS has instructions for dealing with hiding things and avoiding stuff when they arte given to you to write in the elders almanac on the mysterious page 143?
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Did the elders ask for sexual details at your Judicial meeting?
by kid-A in.
i personally know of two cases where the witness being disfellowshipped was asked to provide excruciating details about the exact nature of the "sex crime" that they had committed.. having read the secret elders manual "pay attention to yourselves and all the flock" i know this is standard operating procedure for a judicial hearing.
for those that were disfellowshipped for a "sex crime"
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I agree, very sad that they feel they have to ask those kinds of questions. Remember the mind set when you were there, as part of the borg. You want to be clean before Jah. You want nothing to hinder your trip to paradise.
If you are told that these guys on your JC are there to "help" you, and that they will bring you back onto the course you strayed from, then most people, no matter how embarrassing and difficult it is, will tell all. They were appointed by HS were'nt they?
I have served on JC's. Judge and jury. I am like JT very sorry for doing that. If I could undo it I would. Did I ask embarrassing questions, perhaps, but the pantie thing and questions about where, when frequency in one night....... And then there is this thing where you have a sister, single or married, there in a room with at least three guys, no support, not a parent, husband.
In most of the cases I had been on, the person had confessed to one elder, who then followed WTS procedure, notified the PO, who then arranged for a JC. The JC were then told so and so has done___________ and it seemed unnecessary to ask to much, especially if they had already spilled their guts.
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My visit with my mom.
by purplesofa inmy mother and i have not been close in adult years.
i was baptised in 1986.......thinking all the bad stuff she did to me, i would see her destroyed at armeggedon.
she was baptised in 2000.......how could she be in my religion?
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According to your stats, your mother must be ancient!! If you are 86 now and she has been in since 2000, she must be over 100 years old, and some brother is coming on to her!!!! What gives?
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607BCE or 587/586BCE explained
by truth about the last days inhello all to all my brothers of the faith.
i have some information in relation to the dates 607bce and 587/586bce, with the simple explanation of the 70years exile.
the wt still sticks with the 607bce due to the fact that the governing bodys explains that the jews returned back at about 537bce, assuming that they were finished with their bondage.
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Thanks AlanF for the information. Very interesting.
I dont want to be my age, so from now on.....I think I'll change it. No one will wonder at all, oh I see you're 21 I see according to this letter you have written. That'll be fine. 21 it is. I might even change our anniversary, the wife and family wont care....... -
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WT about Greed and Money?
by Think inmillions of people from personal experience believe that from the beginning this is all about greed and money.
especialy when they claim that no colections are taken, but they lately constantly beg for more money, bank accounts, insurances, real estates, stocks, houses and so on.
can be that this is the real truth?
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They could really buy many small countries, and their interest alone should be covering all expenses without having to beg for another cent.
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Who would've thought that in ten years..
by jojochan ini would be here speaking my mind as a normal human being.
i was thinking about that a second ago and wanted to share that thought.
ten years ago i was confronting a close freind of mine about why he was parting from the collective, of course he had valid reasons to be agnostic at the time.
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Totally with you on this one. Go Jojo. I had this huge discussion some years ago with a Bible Study that had been called on by a SDA. This guy was coming at me heavily with library books on archeology showing and proving secular history putting the destruction of jerusalem at 587 BCE. He just wanted me to explain why there was a 20 year difference between secular chronology and WT chronology.
I was stumped, I bought our best congregational historian/scholar with me next time. He couldn't answer him either. So like a huge ass that I was...[arrogant JW] I said that where secular history is different to Bible chronology, I'll take the Bible, and he should join the SDA's!!
What an ass. I am sorry, so sorry.
Hope that he moved on with his life minus the dubs.