Hey Ozzie,
Yeah, you are right, not too bright at times, probably quick with a knife though!! He is happy to listen to crap from others and believe them. I wonder what he is up to now. I have had no reply.....yet, maybe a knock on the door tonight from the two elders again? Our deceased mother would be SOOOOO proud!
Bigmouth: Self-righteous doesn't spell it out clear enough at times. I laugh when I think about some of his/their actions and how far removed they are from "the christain way"!! It is ok to get drunk, smoke, disown ones faith when it suits and the work me over when it suits him as well. Rafter/straw stuff you know! Still, we dont attend, so he must automatically be right!
geevee
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Again My Brother Writes
by geevee inhi, i had a thread a while back about an email that my brother wrote me.
mostly the prepackaged jw hoohaa that you would expect and most have had on this board.
i have been plaguing him for some family info, not the indepth stuff, just some general chit chat.
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Again My Brother Writes
by geevee inhi, i had a thread a while back about an email that my brother wrote me.
mostly the prepackaged jw hoohaa that you would expect and most have had on this board.
i have been plaguing him for some family info, not the indepth stuff, just some general chit chat.
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Choosing Life and BrentR,
Thanks for your comments too. It is frustrating to say the least when you cant have an honest discussion with family over how you feel and what you have learned about the wts. It can get heated or they switch off and stare into the corner and then change the subject and report you to the elders.
We can only be there when and if. But by the same token, we have wasted enough precious time on the BS. Our lived need to be lived with or without them. -
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The JW fall campaign about false religion
by NowImFree ini just wanted to find out if any of you have had strange experiences confronting jw family members about this brochure.
i am asking because there have been two case of child molestation in my family both perpetrated by jw elder's sons and then covered up.
we have also had a suicide in my family - my oldest brother killed himself after been disfellowshiped and shunned for years.
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It is really a case of if anyone gets the opportunity to rasie this issue, then we need to take it and cause some collateral damage. It just might catch someone with their guard down. Good work.
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Again My Brother Writes
by geevee inhi, i had a thread a while back about an email that my brother wrote me.
mostly the prepackaged jw hoohaa that you would expect and most have had on this board.
i have been plaguing him for some family info, not the indepth stuff, just some general chit chat.
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Thanks. My reply was formulatted over several hours ending at about 1.30am. I had to pound the keys for a while, edit and re-edit, then delete any thing to personal about any dub or dubz as a group. Thats why I say "people" this people that....meaning Witnesses.
He is very self righteous. Has been all along, but i tried to keep the personal attcks out as much as I could......save them for later, but there are some good ones that I may use if I deem it necessary...last resort stuff as a reminder that he is NOT perfect.
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Again My Brother Writes
by geevee inhi, i had a thread a while back about an email that my brother wrote me.
mostly the prepackaged jw hoohaa that you would expect and most have had on this board.
i have been plaguing him for some family info, not the indepth stuff, just some general chit chat.
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Hi, I had a thread a while back about an email that my brother wrote me. Mostly the prepackaged JW hoohaa that you would expect and most have had on this board.
I have been plaguing him for some family info, not the indepth stuff, just some general chit chat.
SO: Last Night I got thhis one:
Hi Geevee,
We have been on holidays for the week. Good fun.
I have got a couple of e-mails over the past few months.
Over the past few months I have heard a number of rumours that you have started to do a few things at odds with the truth. Things like you have celebrated christmas last year with a tree in the window, birthdays, and that you are almost apostate in the way that you treat the Brothers and Sisters in Hometown. Speaking things to keep them away from the meetings.
If these are true or not please tell me. If they are true you must see that my loyalty needs to stay with the Creator. it is that simple.
The people I have spoken with are people that I trust. Not just those in the truth either(christmas stuff from outside), I think you need to know that.
When we left Hometown you need to know that I already knew about alot that took place within your book study group. the stand up and walk out. I find that really strange. I also new that your family had stopped going to meetings. even typing this I almost feel like crying because I think about the respect you have lost from others but also from me. I would have given alot to have had the Vee boys on the same elder body.
The situation if you have left the truth makes things very hard. I think that is quite plain, and without wanting to argue about what has and is your choice I also choose to stay with the truth.
If you ever want to change your mind then I will give you as much support as I possibly can but really until then there is not much that I can do.
I love you, I love your wife and I love the boys. But it must be faith first. that is the only thing that puts everything into perspective and focus in life. I still get very sad when I think about the probability of life in the new system without them or you both.
Little Bro.
So.........after first fuming, I guess that he is taking the time again to inform me of his "position" and in some way, JW twisted way, he cares.
My reply:Hi Little Bro,
Thanks for replying.
Yes holidays can be lots of fun, and you guys need to get in as much as you can while you can!! Did you get to any theme parks? Some are better than others, last time we went up there we went to two and had a great time at them both.
Little Bro, in emailing you from time to time, all I ask from you is a little courtesy. As I have tried to say, we get so many people ask about all of you. All I want is a little info every now and then, so that I can share it with them. You said it when you rang and told me about your wife being pregnant, that you would keep us informed.
You know, I really don't know where your people are getting their information from. If you are for real, then you are going to have to be a whole lot more specific than hearsay.
A Christmas tree and so forth, really? Like we would be that stupid, as if we would put things like that in the window. Just think about it for a minute, instead of running with every little piece of BS that people say to you. Would you do that? Say if for some reason you stopped attending, would you put a tree in your window for all to see? Knowing full well that elders or anyone could call around any time and see it and you would automatically get the boot?
If people are that concerned, these people need to express their concerns to me, not go slandering us all over the place, thats what the bible says doesn't it? I suppose if some one doesn't go to meetings, then the one who does go is more believed, no matter how slack they may be.
They may have to show us the so called evidence. If people dont really know what is going on, then they like to fill in the gaps dont they? Some people seem to be so good at trying to manage other peoples lives while making a mess of their own.
Maybe it was them who sent the elders around here all, expressing their concerned after a year and a half ! They said "Just come to see how you are getting on.....small talk, small talk......oh....there is a couple of things we'd like to clarify......"
Thats a lie isn't it? Come to see how we are, but they also happen to be two elders investigating the depth of accusations, about who knows what from who knows whom? Not really interested in how we are, just looking for some dirt. Christ would be having a fit!
As far as my/our treating/mistreating witnesses in Hometown, again, where do you get your info? We are always friendly to the ones that we see, in fact we go out of our way to talk to them. Some choose to turn their backs and walk away. Which is a fine Christian thing to do isn't it, it shows the depth of their concern. But it is still their choice and I can respect that. I have been that ignorant in my life too.
I dont know what we are supposed to have said that would be interpretted as trying to prevent them from going to meetings, I realized that it is a persons choice as to whether they go or not. We keep our opinions to ourselves. Again, they may have to put up or shut up.
When you left town, you had sat in the same room as me for two months and you would have known on the very night that I got up and walked out and yet you chose NOT to ask about why I walked out of the bookstudy. If the conductor chooses to sit there and lie and others are happy to sit there and agree with him, then it is up to them, but I couldnt stomach it or justify it, so I left. You said it yourself one day, nobody makes you go. Maybe you are ok with supporting pedophiles, but I am not. You might be happy to have the society spend hundreds of thousands of dollars defending their right to be able to hide these people with in the organization. Money that has been donated by little old ladies who believe that it is going to the world wide work, helping out some poor people in some third world country, yet the society spend it on expensive lawyers like it doesnt matter.
As far as my family is concerned, again, you sat there for ever how long you were concerned for, and I would know that you were concerned by ........?
So what else supposed to have occurred at the book study? I kept my end up for a long time.
People have very little to do with thier time, but slander and gossip about someone else, I suppose it makes them feel better about themselves. If people want to know something, why dont they ask instead of pretending you dont exist?
Faith is something that should not be blind. You cant excuse things just because one might say I need to just show faith, then it will be OK. Didn't the Pharasees think that they were showing faith, they thought they were doing all that god asked of them and more, but when Christ came, they were left in the cold.
Just out of interest, and I am not saying that we do, but if celebrating a birthday is such a taboo, thare must be some very strong scriptural instruction against it. Like you know in 1 Cor 6 it warn\s against all kinds of things that would prevent you from entering the kingdom of God, so it must also be with the celebrating of a birthday. If you check your elers handbook, what are the things that a person can get disfelowshipped for? You may be surprised, but celebrating a birthday is not one of the Check it out about page 92 onwards. Even WT articles say "mature" christain would not celebrate.....What about in the early chapters of Job, 1:1-5; 3:1-3; his family used to get together to celebrate their day, and he was a man of great faith.
So, instead of trying to force me to do what you want me to do with all sorts of emotional blackmail, just be my brother. Surely we have more in common than just religion. You spent time in the same womb as me, thanks to the same sperm donor as me.
Christ does the judging, he is the one who reads hearts. Human judgement is flawed from the start. I am not going to argue with you about this, as far as I am concerned I have said enough, and I understand the way you see the situation the way you do, but know this, that if in 1 year or 2 years or 5 years or 10 years or 20 years or 40 years [I will be pretty old by then] you want to have some kind of friendship/relationship, I am there, with the door open and a coldy in the fridge.
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Letter from GB to all Congregations
by sspo inthis morning i found out that last night at the service meeting, a letter was read from the society to a nearby congr.
about the danger of the internet.. they warned all the dubs about being on the internet because many are being influenced fom apostate websites and pornography.. does anyone else have the details of what was said and read?.
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perhaps the sexual predators of the "world" are cutting into the sexual predators in the congo's?
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"Publisher Cards"..
by young hearts, be free.. inwell it's been a while since i posted here, hope you're all well !!
i've been wondering for a while, you know those "publisher record cards" that the jw's hold which detail each "publisher", well i remember reading that they are not for the person to view, they are strictly for the elders use..if that's the case, (that bugged me even when when i was a jw) would that not be a breach of the privacy act ??
man that secret squirrel shit pissed me off !!
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fjtoth:
When I was secretary, I got tired of dragging out all these old record cards of people who [knew better] had faded/moved on, so one day I just shredded heaps of them....all gone, and before I "stepped aside" I shredded all of ours bar one. They are supposed to send 8 years worth of them when and if you move. -
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Do elders commit perjury
by KAYTEE inin a court of law you tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth (hand on bible) if you don't do this it could lead to a prison sentence, thats how serious lying is considered.
(by the world).
therefore when elders discuss the wellbeing of a brother or sister especially in a judicial meeting where they invite god to oversee through prayer in that meeting, if they do not get their facts correct, or worse, they lie about an individual, could this be considered to be an act of perjury, after all you could not get a greater judge than jehovah to make sure you present your facts correct and truthful to.
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Most elders would say not! Then they would wouldn't they? But what about their tactics in gathering the "so-called" evidence? Legbally it would be called entrapment. AND they think that the are being clever.....well, you know spirit directed!!
Cautious as serpents, innocent as doves.
One c/o told us, that it would be in order to have a second elder listening in on another phone to witness what was said, even though the person being called would think they were only talking to one person.
What about the first go to elder, the one who might hear the "confession"? He has to retell the story to the p/o who then has to outline a sketchy story for the "body", who then decide who makes up the "jc". How straight does the story stay? depends a lot on the bent of the original hearer of confession. What if he dislikes the person, or is personally repulsed by the persons actions? He could then decide how it will go down.
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Twenty four elders?
by Anony-Mouse ini dunno if this is just me or what but.... .
i have never heard of this!
nearing 17 years...and just recently the words "twenty-four elders" has popped up 3 or 4 times.
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You both need to get out your revelation climax books, there was a bit in that on the 24, how and who......
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Unreal Experience
by geevee ini had an interesting opportunity/experience today.
my family and i went out for breakfast.
afterwood we went browsing in the shops...pre-christmas.
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Just wanted to pop back in and thank you all for your comments. The other thing that happened sometime back, was my wife came across a young lady who had left the borg because she had a "worldy" boyfriend.
There was some hassle about her attendance at a wedding a bit later on. She had her invitation revoked, which was fantastic as it opened up her perspective. We were worried she may have returned due to family pressure. But while they are not married but living together she has no option to return!!
I felt sick about her, I was the big mouthed elder who "encouraged" her to get baptized! I kinda felt responsible for part of her situation.
When these kids leave the borg for moral reasons, sometimes they think it is the "truth" still. when my wife met her at the supermarket, they had one hell of a rapid fire conversation. She is happy and knows it is garbage!!! yayay............
Bye