woooo.....did anyone see that? I left some names in...oooopppsss nearly knackered myself....Freud at work again?
geevee
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Memorial Talk Outline: get your copy here
by Quotes inin light of the time of year, and in response to a request from had enough, i have just posted the 1993 version (does anyone know if there is a more recent one????
) of the memorial talk outline at the quotes site: .
http://quotes.watchtower.ca/observing_the_memorial.htm.
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Memorial Talk Outline: get your copy here
by Quotes inin light of the time of year, and in response to a request from had enough, i have just posted the 1993 version (does anyone know if there is a more recent one????
) of the memorial talk outline at the quotes site: .
http://quotes.watchtower.ca/observing_the_memorial.htm.
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geevee
Got and April 2000 copy? It has been worked a bit, but I think you get the idea:
? Song No. 87 Prayer.
This celebration will follow the PATTERN FOR the "LORD'S EVENING MEAL" as WAS SET BY JESUS himself. (3 min.)
The first Lord's Evening Meal was celebrated Nisan 14, 33 C.E.
On that night, Jesus and his 11 faithful apostles, were present for the occasion.
From the Gospel record we understand that Jesus knew he would soon give his life as a perfect sacrifice.
He therefore, arranged for his sacrifice to be remembered in a simple ceremony. Let?s read his words together in Luke 22:19, 20. We see from those instructions the simplicity.
Jesus' death is commemorated once each year; this serves as a reminder of the loving provision of ransom.
Jehovah showed love by making this provision, and Jesus did so by fulfilling his role.
WHY A RANSOM WAS NEEDED (7 min.)
When Adam disobeyed God, he lost the right to perfect human life.
All descendants of Adam have inherited sinful tendencies from him.
The willful disobedience of the perfect man Adam, as the responsible head over Eve and as the male progenitor or life source of the human family, brought sin and death to all his offspring.
[Read Romans 6:23a] Wages sin pays is death. Because Adam and Eve ignored the warning and transgressed God?s expressed will, they became captives to sin and its curse of death. There was no way for them to free themselves, and that meant their children would be born in the same captive state they were in.
This means that imperfect humans cannot redeem themselves. Humans need to be redeemed or released from this captive condition to sin and death.
This can only happen by means of the ransom, [Read Romans 6:23b] The apostle Paul reminds us that God provides gift of everlasting life to mankind through Jesus Chris, or through the ransom sacrifice of Jesus Christ?s? perfect human life.
But in order to have everlasting life one must exercise faith in Christ. [Read John 3:16, 36]
Do we see that "Exercising faith" calls for action on our part? James the half brother of Jesus further confirms this. Lets read his words together in James 2:24, 26. Faith and Works [action] go hand in hand.
Those approved by God come in line for everlasting life, either in heaven or on earth.
Yes, two different destinies for those who exercise faith in Jesus Christ?s ransom, there are two different classes.
Both the "LITTLE FLOCK" AND "OTHER SHEEP" BENEFIT FROM THE RANSOM (13 min.)
How do we know which class and which destiny will be ours? We need to understand that it is Jehovah who chooses the place each dedicated and baptized one will serve.
The "Little flock" receive everlasting life in heaven. (Lu 12:32)
The number of this group is limited to 144,000 as God?s word says.
Interestingly the majority of these were gathered prior to our time; with only a remnant remaining.
The Memorial attendance last year worldwide was 15,597,746, but only 8760 partook of the emblems, which indicates that they profess the heavenly hope.
Rev 14:1 describes those of the "little flock" as bearing the name of Jehovah God and of Jesus Christ. Lets read that scripture together. (re 200) These loyal ones have the name of God and of the Lamb written on their foreheads. They are clearly identified. Their having Jesus? name also displayed on their foreheads indicates that they acknowledge being owned by him. Indicating that their intimate relationship with Jehovah and Jesus Christ affects all their thoughts and actions. (Lu 12:32; Re 14:1)
In heaven they have a crucial role to play. They will "rule as kings over the earth". (Re 5:10)
Also as part of the Kingdom arrangement, they will channel untold blessings to obedient humans.
How do they know, or how is it determined whether an individual is of this class? God's spirit gives "little flock" personal assurance that they have heavenly hope. [Read Romans 8:16, 17]
These ones have been brought into the ?new covenant?, on basis of which spiritual Israelites are gathered.
Since Jesus referred to "new covenant" when instituting the Lord's Evening Meal, only those in new covenant partake of emblems. (Lu 22:20: ?This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in YOUR behalf.)
They have also been referred to as "firstfruits to God". [Read Revelation 14:4] Firstfruits are NOT the whole crop. Therefore this expression implies that others are also in line for God's favor.
"Other sheep" will enjoy everlasting life on earth. [Read John 10:16]
This group are also highly favored by God; In fact Jehovah called them "blessed" and "my people". [Read Isaiah 65:21-23]
Members of both the heavenly and the earthly classes have reason to be grateful for kind provision of ransom.
While anointed partake of emblems, other sheep attend as respectful observers, reflecting appreciatively on ransom.
WHAT do THE EMBLEMS REPRESENT? (2 min.)
When Jesus instituted the Memorial arrangement, he explained that the bread and wine represent his body and blood, which was the perfect sacrifice.
In the scriptures, leaven is usually equated with sin, so the fact that the bread was unleavened, it fittingly represents Jesus' sinless body (lCo 5:7, 8)
Red wine pictures his blood poured out in sacrifice, which provides the basis for the new covenant and makes possible forgiveness-of sins (Mt 26:27, 28?for this means my ?blood of the covenant,? which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins.)
Now, having discussed together the pattern that was set for us by Jesus Christ and why a ransom was needed, including who benefit from it, as well as understanding what the emblems represent, let us now?
CELEBRATE THE MEMORIAL OF CHRIST'S DEATH TODAY (12 min.)
Tonight we will follow the pattern Jesus set for observing the Lord's Evening Meal as we discussed at the outset. Let us take our bibles and share [Read and comment briefly on 1 Corinthians 11:23, 24]
Did you notice that Jesus offered prayer and then passed bread to 11 apostles.
We will now invite Bro. ____________________ to offer prayer and we will then pass the bread as Jesus did.
[Read and comment briefly on 1 Corinthians 11:25]
Jesus prayed and then offered wine to followers
Let us now invite Bro. ______________________to offer prayer and then the wine will be passed.
[Optional whether speaker comments while emblems are being served]
BENEFITS FROM BEING PRESENT AT THIS MEMORIAL CELEBRATION (8 min.)
How can we show appreciation for the Memorial?
If you are not yet baptized, could you continue working toward that goal?
How??This is done by building faith by taking in knowledge, accurate knowledge. (Joh 17:3)
As your faith grows, you will find that you will have the strength to fulfill other requirements-repentance, conversion, dedication, and baptism.
Once baptized, must work to remain faithful.
Attending meetings regularly, not merely on special occasions can help us do this. (Heb 10:23-25)
Too, actively engaging in preaching work is another way that we can remain faithful. (Ac 1:8)
Both anointed and other sheep must meet same standards of conduct.
We invite all qualified ones to share in field ministry this week. In fact there will be a meeting for filed ministry tomorrow morning meeting here at the Kingdom Hall at 9:00 a.m.
As we continue to reflect on all the benefits of the Ransom sacrifice of our Lord Jesus Christ and attending the Lord?s Evening Meal for 2003, let us continue to take in knowledge of Jehovah's purposes, and work in harmony with them.
After the original memorial celebration, the events of that night occurred rapidly. But before Jesus completed that celebration, They shared in singing praises before they left. Let us do that now by singing together Song No. 105 Hail Jehovah?s Firstborn! (Hebrews 1:6) and Closing Prayer.
[Only scriptures in bold type need be read. References: w9O 2/15 10-20; it-2 268-71; gt 114, 115]
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I got to give this two memorials ago, I dont know if this is still current for this year, but it wont take much imagination to come up with something close..... You can see that I put in all the joining words, so it makes more sense!! -
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SHUNNING AT A TIME OF BEREAVEMENT..i told them what i think
by chuckyy ini posted yesterday or day before regarding my anger at my wife being shunned the day after her father died.. in fact it was a very deliberate shun by 3 women who went out of their way to brush right past my wife.. i saw 2 of them today and went up to them in the school playyard and said very loudly for all the parents to hear:.
"i would like to thank you both for your condolensces and for walking right past my wife when her father had just died.. true christianity??
?.....isn't it lovely!!!!!!.
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geevee
diamondblue1974...
1974 says it for you, check the August 1st wt 1974..this article says what you are saying on the treatment of DFed.
Unfortunately after the gunning down of Ray Franz, that christain way of treating the Dfed was done away with and back to the unmerciful way that has been mentioned. I think he wrote the article.
Whatever happened to using your heart. This is heartless. We had a similar situation, a sister had died, her daughter was DFed and would be at the funeral. The PO and the CO policed the precedings at the KH and even went around telling some of the young MS's that it would be inappropriate to go the the afternoon tea that was to be held after the burial as it one would "be eating" with a disfellowshipped person....it still makes my blood boil. What about using the opportunity to show some real christian feeling...who knows how it may have been accepted. Not just sheer bastardary.
So Chuckky...my heart goes out to you and your wife...a loss like this is hard enough to bear anytime...let alone whilst being treated so appalingly. Please pass on our love. -
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Can anyone provide information about the voting change
by Triple A inno longer can they hide things such as their hypocritical un involvement, policy changes on voting because they lost a law suit in france or trying to keep their image clean by keeping pedophile issues hidden in local kingdom hall closets.
the above quote was made by seven006 in a well written thread (http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/78991/1.ashx).
can anyone inlightten me as to when the policy on voting occured, what the change was, and did it reach beyond the borders of france.
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geevee
Not wanting to sound at odds with the Q from R, but wasnt the thread about the DF/DA change in the new OM book still indicating that voting would still be a no no? I know that a paragraph in the elders book regarding sins that you could be DF ed for related to voting, and there were never any changes dictated by CO's or DO's?
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The Watchtower's Achilles Heel
by metatron inthe watchtower's greatest strength is its ability to get 6 million people to put their lives 'on hold' and obey them without.
question.
by getting publishers to reject critical, analytical thinking, the directors and governing body continue their rule.
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geevee
IP_SEC, Just a question? Who pays for their houses and cars? Not the WTS, only the poor publisher to whom they are assigned to.[inflicted on] At a One day assembly the visiting speaker was bagging a C/O who was getting older for wondering how he was going to take care of himself when he finishes Circuit work. "Hasn't he heard of Matt 6:33?" he said. What an A-Hole
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Italy: Man Threatens to Blow Self up at JW Meeting of 2,000
by blondie inman threatens to blow himself up in rome
26 february 2005 16:44
reports from the italian capital, rome, say an armed man has threatened to blow himself up in a hall where around 2,000 members of the jehovah's witnesses church are holding a meeting.
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geevee
I liked re-captioning of the photo.....very funny. They [all 2000] probably have to go back another time so that they don't miss any of the program. How else will they be able to do the brain numbing review on the SM in a few weeks time? Bomb scares dont buy you much time off, you have to go back in and waste your lunch time to catch up.
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I am totally confused about the new "DF and DA" announcements for March 05
by booker-t ini am totally confused by the new way jw's will be kicked out of the wts.
since they no longer will be classified as df or da can i get a refund on my da and no longer be viewed as "satan" by my former jw friends and family.
how will jw's know if someone is df or da if they are announced "no longer one of jw's?
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geevee
These statements are in relation to "the big announcement" in the Feb km about a special event for all publishers on March 20th Sunday Meeting. The news heard here first is that a new book "Organized to do Jehovah's Will" a replacement for the "om" book will be released. It allegedly contains a "simplified" approach to announcing the DF/DA situation. Perhaps one of the computer savvy friends would be able to post a link to that thread, or you could search for it. It was less that a week ago.
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Two great quotes!
by mkr32208 ini contend that we are both atheists, i just believe in one less god than you do.
when you understand why you dismiss all other possible gods, then you will know why i dismiss yours.
- stephen f. roberts.
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geevee
Just two that were in the comics in the local paper: "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups" Or Hagar the horrible says to his son :"It is better to be a giver of stress than a receiver" That Hagar.......
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Publisher Numbers
by geevee inprobably been discussed before but, we were just checking the monthly reports in this years km's and started looking back over the last few years to then getting out 1994/5 km's to find that basically in our country the number of publishers is about the same each year.
a couple of peaks and troughs, but basically the same.
"by their fruits you will recognize them" what about the lack of fruit?
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geevee
Probably been discussed before but, we were just checking the monthly reports in this years KM's and started looking back over the last few years to then getting out 1994/5 km's to find that basically in our country the number of publishers is about the same each year. A couple of peaks and troughs, but basically the same. "By their fruits you will recognize them" What about the lack of fruit?
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JW sex offender database
by curlygirl ini read recently that the society has a database of pedophiles in the cong.
does anyone have any information on the subject?
documentation?
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geevee
Hi, I think that you will find that if there still exists a database, it would be at the HQ, maybe at the indivdual Bethels in major countries. The congregation itself doesn't seem to maintain a database, but the information would be on a need to know basis only and not even all the elders in a cong would need to know. I did hear once of a PO getting a phone call from a big city overseer wanting to know about so and so and why it wasn't reported to them that he had moved on from that area. The PO didnt even know the guy was a pedophile! How's that for protecting the flock?