Posts by bob1999

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November Watchtower - FDS 144,000... What are they up to ?

by AlphaOmega in

gems from the november watchtower.... searching into "the deep things of god" .

ocr article here.... http://www.sendspace.com/file/vly4jy.

understanding deep things requires study.

bob1999

Reading on page 28 of the Watchtower Nov 1 2007

"6 How does God's spirit "into all things, even the deep things of God?"Rather than get each Christian a separate revelation, Jehovah uses His spirit to direct His organization, which provides God's unified people with an understanding of the Bible."

In Hebrews 8:10 where Paul quotes Jeremiah 31:33 "......I will put my laws into THEIR minds, and write them on THEIR hearts....."

This sounds like the Spirit is going to work on each, separate, individual. Does it not?

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Apologetics.com on Jehovah's Witnesses

by Eliveleth in

http://www.apologetics.com/default.jsp?bodycontent=pages/radio.jsp&pagetitle=radio.

this subject is being discussed on one of the archives at apologetics.com.

it is a quite interesting discussion on jehovah's witnesses.

bob1999

http://www.apologetics.com/audio/06_16_07.mp3

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Children - Just a thought

by MidwichCuckoo in

was it 1938 when faithful jws were first instructed recommended not to have children?

...mark the words of jesus, which definitely seem to discourage the bearing of children immediately before or during armageddon....it would therefore appear that there is no reasonable or scriptural injunction to bring children into the world immediately before armageddon, where we now are.

" (watchtower, nov. 1, 1938, p. 324) the wt was relatively in its early days (compared to mainstream religion), and had already gone through a lot of change.

bob1999

Burger Time, one more thing.

In Matthew 24:2 Jesus told His Disciples, speaking of the temple in Jerusalem, that not one stone will be left upon another.

In vs. 3 the disciples ask about the sign of His coming and the end of the age. That is the end of the Mosaic age. They were living in a transition time. The temple was still standing, the law had not been "made obsolete" or "vanished" yet.

Hebrews 7:13, which was written later says that the old covenant is BECOMING obsolete and is growing old and is ready to vanish away. It does not say that the old covenant had vanished yet. But it did vanish, in AD 70 when the temple was destroyed.

AD 70 marked the end of the law time and the completion of Christ's first coming.

vs. 16 talks about those who are in Judea fleeing to the mountains. (to escape the destruction of the city)

vs. 19 and alas for those who are with child....

All of this is talking about the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. Not the second coming of Christ but the completion of His first coming.

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Children - Just a thought

by MidwichCuckoo in

was it 1938 when faithful jws were first instructed recommended not to have children?

...mark the words of jesus, which definitely seem to discourage the bearing of children immediately before or during armageddon....it would therefore appear that there is no reasonable or scriptural injunction to bring children into the world immediately before armageddon, where we now are.

" (watchtower, nov. 1, 1938, p. 324) the wt was relatively in its early days (compared to mainstream religion), and had already gone through a lot of change.

bob1999

Burger Time,

"No problem....I have a habit of speaking a little to quickly on message boards. They probably just realized how goofy of logic it was......"

You are missing something very important.

The WTS claims to be the only channel between man and God. Because of that, they either are what they claim to be or they are liars. There is nothing in between.

Other men have preached things that were not biblical and later realized it and corrected their teaching. But the difference is, those men did not claim to be the "only channel between God and man".

Once the WTS made these claims they now have to live up to it.

If God is giving them "meat in due season" to feed to the people then that meat can't be spoiled. God would not give spoiled meat.

You make my point for me.

God would not ask His only spokesman to tell His people things that are "goofy logic".

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Children - Just a thought

by MidwichCuckoo in

was it 1938 when faithful jws were first instructed recommended not to have children?

...mark the words of jesus, which definitely seem to discourage the bearing of children immediately before or during armageddon....it would therefore appear that there is no reasonable or scriptural injunction to bring children into the world immediately before armageddon, where we now are.

" (watchtower, nov. 1, 1938, p. 324) the wt was relatively in its early days (compared to mainstream religion), and had already gone through a lot of change.

bob1999

Burger Time, You said;

"It seemed to me from your post that you were trying to imply there was some conspiracy going on. That the leaders felt they could keep together if they played the Armageddon angle. More then likely though they actually believed in what they were saying. It probably had nothing to do with some diabolical plot to pull the wool over peoples eyes."

Russel might have believed what he wrote. But that's it. Rutherford on down are a bunch of liars. Period.

Wake up and smell the roses. How can anyone who changes their so called beliefs over and over and over again be telling the truth in the first place? Just think about it.

"We are the only religion that knows god and has god's approval and feeds you meat in due season" If that were true why would the "truth" change all the time? Don't fool yourself. Just think about it with a clear mind.

Please forget everything the WTS has taught you and read the Bible for yourself. It's really not that hard.

Again, I am sorry. I don't mean to hurt you or anyone else.

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A third class of jws?

by logic in

i was sitting here thinking of the crazy things that the society keeps dreaming up and changing at their whim, and also reading several articles by the society and secular on the greek words hieron and naos, the outer temple and the sanctuary etc.

the society has been flip flopping on this alot.

my idea is that the society could finally admit that russell was correct in the first place, that the great crowd is also in heaven.

bob1999

There already is a third class. The FDS, according to the May WT, Humbly follows the instructions of the GB. So you have the great crowd, the FDS and the GB. With the GB at the top of the heap.

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Billions of Lives Depend On This?

by R.F. in

the greatest work of all time, never to be repeated, is supposedly done by jehovah's witnesses.

of course you know i'm referring to the door to door work they take part in.

so many lives are at stake and your life is dependent on if you "accept the good news" that they preach.. i surely don't believe this anymore.

bob1999

Leolaia says;

"Do we have the zeal of Ezekiel? Do we feel impelled to preach as did Paul? Our commission is the same as theirs was."
<br><br>It is? Show me where the Bible says that. Paul in 1 Corinthians was talking about himself and others who proclaim the gospel vs 14, not me. The great commission was given to the 12, not me. Further more, the great commission was fulfilled. Read the Bible.

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FDS/GB spokeperson for God

by bobld in

the fds/gb claim they speak and intepret the bible correctly.ex.jan01/07 wt,"john saw in vision the announing of the sealing of the 144k.than he saw "a great crowd".the identity of the great crowd is revealed to john by one of the 24 elders,and these elders represent the 144k joint heirs with christ in their heavenly glory.

"note:john was on earth in 98c.e.

when the elder spoke to him in vision per fds/gb.however, the fds/gb pinpoint the 1st resurrection of the 144k started in 1918 c.e.so how can someone(144k) gave a vision when he/she was not born?.

bob1999

Most references to the last days in the New Testament are talking about the fall of Jerusalem. Read Hebrews very carefully.

They were in the last days.

The coming of Christ in Matthew is not the second coming. It's the end of the old covenant, the completion of the new covenant. AD 70. Please read carefully.

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"MacDonalds has blood in their hamburgers" -- urban legend from 60s

by cabasilas in

does anyone remember this one?

i was just starting associating in the mid-60s and heard this one from the jws i was associating with.

one jw friend told me: "don't you know macdonalds puts blood into their hamburgers?

bob1999

"Fallacy #1 there is blood in all meat. It doesnt matter how much it is drained.

True."

True there is not blood in all meat? Or true there is blood in all meat?

It's not clear what you are saying.

Now the truth. There is some blood in all meat.

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Rutherford and Golden Age Magazine - Proof of What?

by Seeker4 in

years ago i was having a conversation with another elder about rutherford and the golden age magazine.

we were both good students, and well aware of what an asshole rutherford had been, and how outrageous many of the things written in the golden age were.

after commenting on them, and joking aloud how you never hear golden age quoted today and that rutherford seemed to just be the biggest jerk, the brother said to me, in all seriousness, "well, it just goes to show you that jehovah can use anyone to accomplish his purpose.

bob1999

""and you really think that Jehovah was using someone like Rutherford to 'spread the Good News'?" "

What gets me is they think they are "spreading the Good News". Which Good News?

They are always changing it. Before 1995 the Good News was something very different than the Good News of today. And what about the doors of heaven? You see the good news has changed again as of May 2007.

The truth is, they have never spread the real "Good News". That is, the Good News that's in the bible. You know, the Good News that doesn't change.